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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: brywil1970 on July 08, 2005, 07:55:04 PM
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Just trying to positively rule out 1874 as the date of this paperweight. It really looks like 1874 under a loop. I know it is probably 1974, but wanted your opinion. It really is in too good of condition to be that old, but I just don't want to miss out on somthing that special and I know very little about whitefriars.
http://members.sparedollar.com/brywil1970/white1.jpg
http://members.sparedollar.com/brywil1970/Dsc01779.jpg
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I'm no expert, but Whitefriars were making paperweights in the 1970's and IMHO this style and colour of glass doesn't really fit in with their products in the 1870's.
PS I can't say whether this paperweight WF or not, sorry.
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How about moving this to the paperweight forum? Might get more attention :shock:
Nice weight :wink: I'd like to hear from an expert for definite, but I am inclined to agree with Max on the date.
Leni
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Hi
To me it clearly says 1974... which is well in keeping with this 1974 Whitefriars paperweight... style typical of their 1970's output and complete with the monk motif. Actually I cant quite work out why you think it might say 1874... ????
Nice piece
Regards
Gareth
Morgan48
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This page may help you confirm your weight: http://www.whitefriarsorg.org/memb1/Millefiore/page.html
If not you could ask on the Is It Whitefriars? website: http://www.whitefriars.com/
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Anne, thanks for that site - really useful, and heaps better than my book.
If Brywil1970's paperweight is WF, then I guess it must be P27, window with mitre cuts. I hadn't seen that kind of cut between circular polished windows before - oooh! I'm learning again!! Someone hold me down! :D :wink:
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Max, Yes I am figuring p27 for the shape
Anne, Thanks I didn't see the "is it WF link"
Guest, under a loop it looks more like 1847. I know that is wishfull thinking, but just wanted to make sure.
I can't find out anything about the older weights, did they use the monk signature cane then? No matter what I think it was a steal at $8 USD
Thanks for all the help what a great group of people. I am a regular on Ebay's Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain Board. It is very helpfull board (and friendly) for finding info on almost any type of glass or pottery (especially american) You guys should check it out sometime. Your knowledgable opinions would definitely be welcome and appreciated. Some well know authors hang out there time to time.
Thamks again, Bryan
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No matter what I think it was a steal at $8 USD.
Thamks again, Bryan
Bryan
More like Grand Auto plus Highway Robbery....excellent purchase. Regarding using the monk cane 1n 1874 I dont think they did.
Regards
gareth
Morgan48
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Hello Bryan
The whitefriars symbol on your paperweight is dated From 1963 to 1979 a paper label in the new graphic style with a stylised friar 'WHITEFRIARS HAND-MADE CRYSTAL' by this time the company had changed its name to Whitefriars Glass Ltd .
This link will help you see the dates of whitefriars' labels.
http://www.whitefriars.com/labels.php
Regards
Trudy
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Some well know authors hang out there time to time.
Thamks again, Bryan
Some well-known authors hang out here most of the time too Brian. ;)
Glad we were able to help with your paperweight query. 8)
Paul Annenberg's site also has some useful info about Whitefriars paperweights... his father was a glassblower at Whitefriars and the site is fascinating.. take a look at http://www.zyworld.com/yellowbanana/Page9.htm for paperweight info.
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Brywill said:
You guys should check it out sometime
I do check it out. I'm a lurker. 8) :wink:
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I sure am glad to have found this sight. I love to by unusual glass especially if it is signed then try to figure it out. I appreciate the help. I will definitely be a lurker here. I know a little about most forms of US glass from depression glass to art glass. Maybe one day I will be able to help someone.
Thanks, Bryan
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Hi folks,
Bryan said: I can't find out anything about the older weights, did they use the monk signature cane then?
And Gareth commented:Regarding using the monk cane 1n 1874 I dont think they did.
Gareth is correct. The monk cane is of a similar shape to that seen in the 1963 and later labels in the whitefriars.com site, although that site has some possible confusion by stating, amongst the later labels, "At the turn of the twentieth century there was a variety of different labels for many different ranges and items".
For general info, there are still various collectors, delears and auction house staff who believe that Whitefriars made millefiori paperweights in the 19th century. However, research has found no positive records of any Whitefriars millefiori weights being made before the 20th century.
Details are known of weights and inkwells that have often been attributed (without proof) to Whitefriars and having date canes suggesting 19th century (usually 1848), but which were made as reproductions in the 1920s and 1930s by English companies such as Arculus, Walsh Walsh and R C Richardson.
Details of these 20th century items with 19th century date canes have been covered in:
a) British Glass 1800-1914 by Charles Hajdamach,
b) Articles in the Annual Bulletin of the Paperweight Collecotrs Association inc. [USA]
c) Old English Paperweights by Robert G Hall
It should also be noted that from 1980, when Caithness Glass bought the rights to the Whitefriars weights designs, they continued the use of the monk cane as identification of the range.