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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Germany => Topic started by: auliya on December 15, 2014, 12:35:04 AM
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I am hoping someone can help with identifying this bowl. It is similar to Walther's Luxor pattern, but clearly not the same. It measures 10 inches in diameter and 2.75 inches high - it has no markings. Thanks in advance for any ideas
cheers
Auliya
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Auliya, this certainly is Walther's dragon-fly LIBELLE (http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Walther-1937.76+B6YmFja1BJRD03NiZwcm9kdWN0SUQ9MzMyOCZwaWRfcHJvZHVjdD03NiZkZXRhaWw9.0.html)
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Thank you SO much Pamela, I had searched high and low but missed that :-) Very happy about that as I wanted to put a Walther figure and frog with it :-)
regards
Auliya
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Splendid idea, will you show it here, please ? :-*
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Can anyone tell me the difference between "Luxor" and "Libelle" ?
The "Libelle" pattern for the bowls shown in the 1937 Walther catalogue seems to match the photo for "Luxor" shown in Pamela's website. I have bowls at all 3 sizes given for "Libelle" in the catalogue. They too seem to match the "Luxor" photo. There is some reference to "Libelle" in the text accompanying Pamela's "Luxor" photo but I don't understand it.
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I think it's the patterning. Libelle looks sort of scribbly and Luxor looks like lines
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Thank you Christine.
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I've been wondering for some time about the similarities between Luxor and Libelle. Pamelas Luxor vase has a smaller, lower base and is quite slim, with a flat rim. The vase I bought as Luxor has a larger base, is more bulbous and has a crenelated rim.
Pamelas Luxor bowl also appears to have a flat rim but the Libelle bowl has a crenelated rim.
I also have another bowl that I haven't been able to identify. The base and patterning are identical to the vase and both have the same patterning as on the bowl. Again the rim is crenelated, although flattened.
Could it perhaps be that the pieces I have are all Libelle rather than Luxor? That Luxor had flat rims while Libelle was crenelated?
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To add to the above.
Does anyone know if the two patterns were in production at the same time? Is it possible that the Luxor was remodelled and re-issued as the Libelle?
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It's the patterning. Libelle is a fine pattern if you look at Auliya's bowl. Luxor is a much coarser irregular web
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Thank-you for that info. it's sometimes not so easy to be sure when looking at photos and never having seen the thing "in the flesh". I can see it's different but I've never seen an actual piece of Libelle to compare the two.
Can you confirm that my piece with the flattened rim is another variant of the vase please? I couldn't find it in the catalogues, or anywhere else that I've looked. I'm not even sure if it's meant to be a vase or not although the base diameter is the same. For some reason the inside "floor" is distinctly domed rather than flat as in the vase.
To me it doesn't look like it would work very well as either a flower vase or a bowl.
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I can't see why its not Luxor. The catalogues we have available are limited and ranges were frequently wide. The vase looks like it should have a flower holder inset. Look round the inside and see if there is a line of scratching somehwere towards the top
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Thankyou again. With a close look, there is a feint broken line of scuff marks around where the "swags" meet the patterning. A bit of experimenting with some trinket pot lids and I found that the 11cm Greta lid will sit there quite well.
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To add to the above.
Does anyone know if the two patterns were in production at the same time? Is it possible that the Luxor was remodelled and re-issued as the Libelle?
As far as I can tell the "Luxor" pattern is first described in the 1934 catalogue which can be accessed via the press-glas-korrespondenz site :
https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2001-3-4-mb-walther-1934.pdf
Scroll to Page (Seite) 11, Panel (Tafel) 25. Magnification is limited but the pattern and its name are clear. The "Libelle" pattern can be found in the 1935 catalogue :
https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2002-3-1-mb-walther-1935.pdf
Scroll to Page 15 [Mod: Page 13, I believe], Panel 130. There is no "Libelle" vase and the "Luxor" vase is shown on Page 10, Panel 117a. In my view both the Luxor and Libelle bowls are crenellated. But the Luxor vase (as shown in the catalogues, and in the picture on Pamela's website) is not. It's difficult to see the difference in the small scale patterning in the two bowls. However the Libelle bowl has four plain glass strips, spaced at 90 degrees, which run from the top rim of the bowl to the foot rim. These are absent in the Luxor bowl.
I'm not sure about the crenellated vase shown in this thread.
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Now you point them out, I can see the plain glass strips on "Libelle".
It's all very confusing!