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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: jonevark on May 17, 2008, 11:39:18 PM
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Hi,
I am new to collecting and dont know alot about glass and have just started collecting and just buy what i like the look of as my main rule of thumb this is one of my first purchases from a car boot for the grand total of £1 and would like to know if you can you help me to identify this bowl it looks almost black until light is shone on it but it is a very dark blue bowl with clear glass overlaid when you hold it in certain postitions, it also has what looks like a bison engraved on the top rim of the bowl, it has a perfectly round polished pontil base.
I would love to learn a bit about glass and was wondering if any of you could help with maker, age and why the bison is there as it is intriguing me, many thanks for reading this post
Jo :O)
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:cry: any ideas :cry:
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Hi Jo,
Welcome to the board, have patience ;)
I would think someone will recognise the bison, it sometimes can take days, weeks or years,
Regards
Andy
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That is Whitefriars made for the Royal antediluvian society of the buffaloes i have one in ruby.
probably spelt the A word wrong just rushing out for emergency dental treatment. oooouch.JP
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hi,
Thank you for your response... sorry I didnt realise, it took a while, ignorance on my part, many thanks john for identifying the piece for me
Kind regards
Jo
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Hi Jo,
that was pretty quick! well done JP :hiclp:
Just in case your'e dying to know more, i found this website,
http://www.raob.org/
Fascinating :-\
Cheers,
Andy 8)
ps, i expect the bowl is circa 1970s, JP , correct me if im miles out.
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Hi Jo is the great horned beast gilded mine is,i would love to know the colour of the bowl.
I am not sure of the date but i can find out , yours is only the second one i have seen in the last thirty years or so.
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Hi,
im afraid mine isnt gilded just etched into the glass, my buffalo doesnt have horns either but its very nice to know a little bit about the glass, and many thanks andy for the link, in the middle of my glass it is almost a cobalt blue but the rim and outer part of the glass is very black, I wonder john if you wouldnt mind posting a piccy of yours if at all possible as it would be nice to see your piece, no worries if you cant, many thanks
Jo :O)
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Hi Jo i hope i didnt confuse you on my buffaloe you cant see the horns,but i promise they do have them
also the guilding is very faint and the buffaloe is intaglio cut into the glass,yours is right although the picture wasnt brill but at least you can post them .JP
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Having never heard of RAOB, I had to have a look at the site Andy kindly posted. What a gas! The language of the explanation of Buffaloism seems itself antediluvian, if sentence length is any indication -
"Before going on to an explanation of the various things to which we apply this
gospel of good fellowship, it seems to me to be a good place to advise a searcher
after the truth, who has absorbed this rather tentative and possibly inadequate
picture of the sprit in which we work; if, in the reading he finds himself on
unfamiliar ground, with no touch of responsive warmth in his heart; it might be as
well for him and for us if he gives up the vision of hidden bonanzas in buffaloism;
there is nothing in it of what the commercial mind would call 'PROFIT'."
I wonder if the bowl is considered one of the hidden bonanzas. That's excellent that JP could identify it! (Sorry to hear about your emergency dental work, JP. Ouch. :()
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Hi Jo- Hey Presto- one has turned up on ebay tonight have a look it shows the guilding
only the third one i know of .
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HI,
Yes it is identical in colour to my bowl only mine isn't guilded in gold just etched into the glass, maybe gold ones were presented to more important buffalo people...lol
Its so cool to see another one,
Thanks for letting me know
Jo :O)
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Yes nice to see, i must stop putting an e on the end of Buffalo just because its an ancient order and i speake olde englishe. buffaloe. spell check says its ok.
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Got a link, couldn't find it.
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item 400000062091 or put in bison { not wash bison or toilet bison} God thats an old joke. SORRYEEE
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My dad was in the RAOB, I have all his medals and things here.
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Thanks, I see they call it etched too. Perhaps there is a need for a 101 on how to distinguish the different methods of decoration.
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There's a section on GlassGallery for Glass Reference & Technology > Decoration, Finishes and Flaws
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/index.php?cat=12 - it'd be worth adding examples onto the albums there as a permanent reference.
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Could someone post a close-up of their buffalo? From what I see, it doesn't look like an engraving. That doesn't mean it isn't, but engravings have typical shapes because of the wheels used. I'd like to see more detail.
There's heaps (do you say "heaps" in the UK? That's an Aussie expression) of cut/engraved glass listed on ebay as etched. I don't really understand it.
Looks like that section of the gallery could use some padding! The one photo there doesn't tell what finish it is, Anne! ;D Sandblasting, right? That's a great photo, shows the graininess to it, so it's distinguishable from etching. I have lots of photos of etching and engraving, different types of enameling - should I put a few directly in the gallery? Are they linked to a thread or anything?
My dad was in the RAOB, I have all his medals and things here.
Even after looking at the site, I didn't get a very good idea of their aims, or what held them together. Is it possible to sum it up for us?
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It's a (grown-up physically) boys club on the lines of freemasonry. So a "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type of thing obscured by dressing up and secret oaths and other adolescent fantasies played out.
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Looks like that section of the gallery could use some padding! The one photo there doesn't tell what finish it is, Anne! ;D Sandblasting, right? That's a great photo, shows the graininess to it, so it's distinguishable from etching. I have lots of photos of etching and engraving, different types of enameling - should I put a few directly in the gallery? Are they linked to a thread or anything?
It's a fairly new section waiting for populating with pictures Kristi, so any pics would be more than welcome. ;) Those three albums are uploadable to (what awful grammar, sorry Bernard! ;D) by any signed in GG member. The one pic there doesn't have a description as I have no idea what the finish is called - am hoping someone can tell me ;D (it's a Dartington Studio piece we discussed here (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,17576.0.html) a while back.)
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I have uncovered mine at last and had a good look sorry it is not intaglio i have a similar bowl that is
on looking close up the outer buffalo shape is quite deeply engraved and the highlights are etched and gilded.
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The one pic there doesn't have a description as I have no idea what the finish is called - am hoping someone can tell me (it's a Dartington Studio piece we discussed here a while back.)
Does it look/feel like something's applied? Otherwise I'd think it's sandblasted. I've forgotten what it's called when itty bitty pieces of glass are adhered to a piece, but I can probably find out.
It's a (grown-up physically) boys club on the lines of freemasonry. So a "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type of thing obscured by dressing up and secret oaths and other adolescent fantasies played out.
Yikes! That's one way to sum it up!
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Reply re Dartington vase split off to here Kristi: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,17576.0.html :)
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Found another buffalo-etched piece, looks like the same buffalo. Just thought I'd throw it on here for curiosity's sake.
http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=025&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=380037187662&rd=1