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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: Patrick on October 02, 2006, 09:40:27 AM

Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: Patrick on October 02, 2006, 09:40:27 AM
Hi, I thaught you may be interested in seeing an image of the late Ronnie Wilkinson at work......( Jimmy Grout still lives in Uxbridge )
(http://i10.tinypic.com/2aj3zar.jpg)
 Regards Patrick..
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: josordoni on October 02, 2006, 10:00:06 AM
what is the interesting point about the button on the puntee iron?
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: Leni on October 02, 2006, 10:39:19 AM
I think it's just drawing attention to the button, that's all, not implying that it's in some way note-worthy.  Like saying, "They are making a paperweight.  Look, there's the millefiori button on the iron."
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: josordoni on October 02, 2006, 10:45:41 AM
Look John, there's the button

Janet drops the hot glass on the button

OW!  John sucks his fingers and drops the button....

Look at Janet hitting John with the puntee iron.
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: Leni on October 02, 2006, 11:14:45 AM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: josordoni on October 02, 2006, 11:23:43 AM
Shamefaced I do admit that I was looking up and down the puntee iron in the photo for a release button, thinking that this was some new technical innovation, until I saw your post and realised they meant the glass millefiore button on the top.....

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Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: Leni on October 02, 2006, 12:05:47 PM
Quote from: "josordoni"
Shamefaced I do admit that I was looking up and down the puntee iron in the photo for a release button, thinking that this was some new technical innovation, until I saw your post and realised they meant the glass millefiore button on the top.....

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  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: josordoni on October 02, 2006, 12:13:02 PM
There is always someone whose main function is to provide a butt for ridicule and hilarity for the rest of the community...

I am SO pleased it seems to be me... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: Leni on October 02, 2006, 12:25:14 PM
Ahhh, don't worry Lynne  {{{Hugs}}} But your 'Janet & John' scenario really had me rolling on the floor!   :lol:

Back on topic (well, we weren't really off, but we were probably about to be banished to the cafe, or heavily edited  :wink: ) Thank you Patrick for the picture! (Although it's very big, and takes ages to download!  :shock: )

I remember when we hadn't lived here very long ('here' being quite near the old Wealdstone factory) and there was a huge public outcry when it was demolished!  There was a lot of strong feeling locally, and people were practically 'doing an Arthur Dent' (lying down in front of the bulldozers) to prevent it from happening!   :shock:

But it went anyway!   :(  :x  The pictures in the local paper of it going down were the saddest thing  :cry:
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: josordoni on October 02, 2006, 12:34:30 PM
Quote from: "Leni"
Ahhh, don't worry Lynne  {{{Hugs}}} But your 'Janet & John' scenario really had me rolling on the floor!   :lol:


I listen to too much Terry Wogan.  :lol: And I like to be silly , even if I do risk having my wrists slapped for hijacking threads....

But seriously (also trying to stay put and not be banished to a corner)...

I know very little about glassmaking, so it is very interesting to see pictures like this of how it is actually made.  I hadn't realised that the rod would be held vertically like this.

And I bet globs of very hot glass DO drop onto the hands of the assistant holding the puntee rod from time to time. Very ouch.
Title: wow
Post by: wrightoutlook on October 02, 2006, 03:48:58 PM
Amazing that neither artisans are wearing heat-resistant gloves, especially the man holding the rod.
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: josordoni on October 02, 2006, 03:57:18 PM
Judging from the pattern on the shirt (!!  8)  ) the pic would seem to date from the 1970s, before Health and Safety got their grubby mitts on the law of the land...
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: mjr on October 03, 2006, 06:34:52 AM
Still don't wear gloves. Nanny state has not reached that far. Having done Willie Manson's paperweight course, we didn't have gloves. The rod does not get hot at the point it is held - as that is 2 feet from the glass. Even when shaping the weight with the wood gloves aren't used. A canister of spray on burn relief is close by though.

As to the button, the one distinctive feature of a whitefriars weight is the base where the button in which the design is set is distinct as their is a groove and then an outer rim. When the glass is attached to the button as in the photo, it will be allowed to drop slightly below the button to get this effect. Other makers will put the glass on the top and then smooth it out so they never have the grooved effect of a whitefriars base
Title: wow
Post by: wrightoutlook on October 03, 2006, 06:43:39 AM
Fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. I'm curious as to how often one is burned by a bit or glob of molten glass?
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: Frank on October 03, 2006, 08:09:55 AM
Most of the burns come from the flying fragments of leftover metal (glass) as the iron is dropped in the bucket of water after removing the object.

Patrick your picture has a prominent copyright notice do you actually have the specific consent of the museum to use this image here?
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: aa on October 03, 2006, 09:14:38 AM
Quote from: "mjr"
Still don't wear gloves. Nanny state has not reached that far. Having done Willie Manson's paperweight course, we didn't have gloves. The rod does not get hot at the point it is held - as that is 2 feet from the glass. Even when shaping the weight with the wood gloves aren't used. A canister of spray on burn relief is close by though.


Each to his own. Different people have different heat thresholds. All our students are issued with heat resistant kevlar sleeves and safety glasses, and gloves are available if required.

It depends on the type of work you are doing. Quite a lot of the time I use a kevlar glove since some of my work requires it. These gloves weren't available when these photos were taken.

While I understand that some people have had bad experiences with Health and Safety regulations, many of these are common sense and I always approach it from the point of view that it is my own health and safety that needs protecting and then extending that protection to others as well!  :D

Btw all our courses start with a simple safety briefing without which students are unable to proceed, and because people are likely to forget between courses they have to go through the same briefing each time. The briefing takes place sitting down away from the distractions of the hot shop.

Handling the glass can be so exciting for most people that it is very easy to forget that while the iron is cool 2ft away from the glass, it is very hot 2ft 6in away from the glass!! :D
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: aa on October 03, 2006, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: "Frank"
Most of the burns come from the flying fragments of leftover metal (glass) as the iron is dropped in the bucket of water after removing the object.


Actually, although most people won't admit it, most burns come from carelessness and momentary loss of concentration.
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: josordoni on October 03, 2006, 10:40:43 AM
Quote from: "aa"
Quote from: "Frank"
Most of the burns come from the flying fragments of leftover metal (glass) as the iron is dropped in the bucket of water after removing the object.


Actually, although most people won't admit it, most burns come from carelessness and momentary loss of concentration.


Actually a lot of people are caused by carelessness and momentary loss of concentration....

 :oops:
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: Frank on October 03, 2006, 02:07:04 PM
IMPORTANT

Quote from: "Frank"
Patrick your picture has a prominent copyright notice do you actually have the specific consent of the museum to use this image here?
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: Patrick on October 03, 2006, 06:19:24 PM
Hi Frank, Sorry I have not replied sonner................. Yes they are happy for me to publish the images on glass forums and the like. See Whitefriars.com Preveously unpublished photos, under the Learn section.
 The only issue is that maybe the photograpers that took the picture may have the original copyright . As the images are over 30 years old I do not think this is a problem but if you do, perhaps you would remove the image..  Regards Patrick.
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: Patrick on October 03, 2006, 06:42:40 PM
Hi Frank, Further to my last post, I put the copyright note on the image, also another Whitefriars collector who has taken images from the archive has probably expressed the copyright issue better........... see http://whitefriarsorg.org/mf/index.php?s=12ca1eef45cecf69ebe73b9d836da078&showtopic=393
 Regards Patrick.
Title: Whitefriars factory photograph...................
Post by: Frank on October 03, 2006, 07:06:02 PM
OK thanks.