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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: josordoni on October 17, 2006, 02:32:53 PM
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I really like this little button, it is very very scratched so the central cane is rather difficult to see - it is the same shape as the white canes, but yellow, with a ring of red, and a centre of red surrounded by blue. The weight is about 2 ins 50 mm diameter, glass is quite dark , very yellowy from some angles. Quite flat in profile, about an inch high, the base bulges out somewhat, and has a lot of pleats around an unfinished central pontil.
the ruffled canes looked a bit Bacchus-y to me, but I have seen so few Old English I am very wary about making any sort of id by myself.
What do you think?
little button (http://clarkagency.co.uk/clicpicoct/_local_paper_button.htm)
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The canes and your description of the yellow/darker glass bring to mind older Chinese origin but then I haven't had any real experience with old English weights either (except in photos :cry:). Your little button weight is charming though. The colors go well together, the pattern is pleasing, and it has a nice lacy look.
Til the next time ..... Lily
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I'm hoping KevH will be along later and will be able to shed some light, or Frank maybe...
And then we'll both be wiser!!
:lol: :lol:
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Hi Lynne
I'm sure it is Chinese - probably pre 1950. I have a dozen or so similar, mainly shallow domed concentrics, some with really nice fine detailed canes, and similar colours to yours. Alan.
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Hmph.
not much value in getting it polished up then .... :cry: :cry:
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Yes, I agree it looks like early Chinese. Try polishing it yourself using jewellers rouge or something like that, as it's quite pretty and it would be nice to be able to see the canes more clearly. They look to me like the rather more complex ones which were used in the older style of Chinese weights, when they were trying to copy the classic French and old English weights.
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That's a good point Leni, I can practice polishing it up without worrying too much about losing a huge value. And then who knows...
Maybe a Chinese person will want to bring it back home! :roll:
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I have a few of those. Definitely Chinese. The cane style, thin cane 'slices' and the very flat shape is typical. On some you can see 'China' handscratched on the bottom. It is often very had to see when the pontil is particularly rough or has a lot of wear.
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China-made, 1930s.
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China-made, 1930s.
got to be an improvement on China-made 2006 made, surely... 8)
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Probably. I'm trying to stay out of the China frying pan, or is it wok?
I don't buy them unless they are very unique or notable. Yes, I do have four. One is the famed sailing ship silhouette painted under the glass dome from the 1930s as seen in books on paperweights; two are 1930s miniatures with painted pastoral scenes under the dome; one is an oversize contemporary delight with frolicking lampworked pandas within. I think all four represent Chinese culture and art and commerce and are emblematic of China. That's why I have them.
My current goal is to save some bucks and capture my personal golden ring - a Clichy swirl.
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I have oodles of Chinese weights from my nickel and dime days. I gradually worked my way up into Italian and American makers. I now collect Scottish glass almost exclusively.
I still keep those old weights around for memories sake.
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I have a whole cabinet full of mainly Chinese flower weights. They make a nice bright and cheerful display, and I didn't pay more than £10 for any of them! :D http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10048/DaD_Cabinet_sml.jpg
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What a pretty display! Of the Chinese weights, I like the torchwork florals the best. Some of them are very well executed.
I need to get mine off of my windowsills where they tend to get very dusty and into a cabinet. My cabinet is currently bursting at the seams with my 'good' weights.
I'd forgotten until today that I did buy a couple Chinese weights last year. They were on clearance at an import store. There is a nice looking crown in the bunch. I was pretty impressed with the quality. I just buy these things with pocket change and promptly forget when I bought them until my kids start messing with them. They don't hurt them. They just like to pick them up and look at them.
Last week my sister was all gaga over a 1990s chinese millefiori and was less impressed with my Scottish millefiori. I guess bright orange and yellow pleased her eyes more than the delicate perfection of a McDougall.
Chinese crown:
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10155/normal_chinesecrown.jpg)
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I do like your crown! :D Yes, many Chinese weights are very well executed, and it's one of the reasons I so dislike the dismissive 'it's Chinese' ID. :x As I've said before, China is a big place, and someone there is trying very hard and producing some excellent glass working, and I'd like to know more about who / where it's happening. Sadly, however, it's not currently within their culture to identify individuals in this way :?
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Glasstrufflehunter,
Just for my interest, could you please show two more photos of the Crown weight ...
a) Side view (full profile) to show how high the crown is set in the weight.
b) Base view. A slighlty angled view well lit by daylight would be great.
Thanks
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I"m with Leni, the fact that it's made in China should not be some sort of epithet.
I made several attempts to photograph this clearly.
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10155/chinesecrownA.jpg)
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10155/chinesecrownB.jpg)
The weight has a 'dimple' at the top. Maybe this was a way to tuck the ends of the canes down. If it were not for the bubbles in the weight, It would have been perfect.
I would love to find one with red canes. :D
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How was it determined that the crown is actually China-made? I'm leaning against it. This is the first Chinese crown I've seen, but what really interests me is the base. I have never, ever seen a base that accomplished and finished-off in a weight from China or Taiwan.
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I have several Chinese weights that are of recent make that have much better bases than the stuff made say, 15 or 20 years ago. The polish on this one is not quite perfect. I do have a large abstract with a perfectly polished base.
The quality of this weight is what made me snap it up. It's the first crown I've seen from China. I've been seeing some really awesome Dahlia weights and weights with other torchworked subjects that are very, very nice.
It is possible it's from Taiwan.
I got it from Pier 1 imports. The bulk of their stuff is from the Pacific Rim.
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Thanks for the extra images.
If this is a Chinese piece then it definitely proves the point that the work of some makers is improving in leaps and bounds. The work in this example (with perhaps the exception of stray bubbles) is every bit as good as from makers who have been producing Crown weights for many years!
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How recent a purchase at Pier 1? Thanks.
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glasstrufflehunter said in an earlier post
I'd forgotten until today that I did buy a couple Chinese weights last year. They were on clearance at an import store. There is a nice looking crown in the bunch. I was pretty impressed with the quality. I just buy these things with pocket change and promptly forget when I bought them until my kids start messing with them. They don't hurt them. They just like to pick them up and look at them.
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I was just puttering on Ebay last night and saw two separate listings where there was a similar 'crown' weight. Same fat flattened canes but in orange and aqua. This time they applied the head and legs of a turtle in clear glass. Both are listed under italian glass but if they are italian I'll eat my boots.
EDIT: link shortened by Moderator
eBay LINK (http://cgi.ebay.com/MURANO-ENCASED-GLASS-TURTLE-PAPERWEIGHT_W0QQitemZ230041558646QQihZ013QQcategoryZ994QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230041558646)
I would love to find one that's not been made into a turtle.
I recall now having a devil of a time getting sticky price stickers off of the bottom of my Pier 1 finds. I seem to remember "Made in china" next to the bar code. It's been a while so my memory is imperfect. I didn't even remember it until last night after I had posted. :P
The last few times I've been in Pier 1 they have had no paperweights.
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The orange-and-blue turtle appears to be nowhere near the quality of the blue-and-green crown. Defintely different levels of workmanship.
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I think I'll pop into my local Pier 1 Tuesday.
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I noticed the inconsistency in quality when I bought the crown. There were several to choose from, some of which were pretty sloppy. I chose the most perfect one.
I've seen a better 'crown' turtle on ebay. I would have bought it -except for the turtle-y parts. :P
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