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Title: Studio art glass vase help with signature. ID = Barry Cullen studio glass
Post by: Dave the Glass on October 28, 2008, 12:41:55 PM
Nice piece of studio art glass. This heavy vase stands 7 inches tall & 6 in diameter, it is marked on the base No 232 1985 & a signature i can't work out, can you help me with the maker.
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Post by: aa on October 28, 2008, 01:30:32 PM
Barry Cullen
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Post by: Dave the Glass on October 28, 2008, 02:03:40 PM
Thanks for that just googled him & not a lot there. Have you any further info?
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Post by: aa on October 28, 2008, 11:48:17 PM
Fulham, 80's will try to remember more...
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Post by: nigel benson on October 29, 2008, 05:22:51 PM
Hiya,

Such little as I know is from meeting Barry at Covent Garden Market back in the late 70's where he occasionally used to sell pieces at the Saturday market.

The shape of the vase you have is typical of his work with opaque colouring to the rim and shoulder of the piece at that time. I bought a couple of drinking glasses from him as well as vases. The vases are far more competent than the glasses, which were heavy and far too think to drink from.  I remember discussing the problems of making stemware with him, which I seem to remember he found somewhat of a challenge. I also recall him being concerned at the difficulty in making a living at glass blowing. I'd say, some things just don't change do they?

Cheers, Nigel
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Post by: flying free on February 15, 2012, 09:59:26 PM
I remembered reading this thread ages ago and I've just come across something related to this vase. On page 252 of Charles Hajdamach's 20th Century British Glass plate 528 there is an absolutely stupendous vase engraved by Peter Dreiser called 'The Price of Oil' - the vase has a dark shoulder neck and rim where the dark part goes further down the vase than the vase in this thread, and then is  paler from under the dark shoulder downwards.  The fish on the engraving are all in the paler section facing upwards trying to get through the globules of oil on the 'surface' i.e. the darker shoulder and neck of the vase.  The vase was blown by Barry Cullen, the whole piece is utterly fantastic imho - the combination of the blown and the engraved and the use of the colour.
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Post by: aa on February 15, 2012, 10:03:45 PM
I know the piece you mean. It is really excellent.
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Post by: nigel benson on February 15, 2012, 10:38:33 PM

I agree, it's a stunning piece of work.

Nigel
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Post by: flying free on February 15, 2012, 10:44:14 PM
Not related to this thread really...a little diversion but with the common link being the engraver,  I also think Peter Dreiser's 'Drowning of the Innocents' is a scarily impactful piece of glass (Blown by Neil Wilkin) - In both cases the blown piece in combination with the obviously incredible engraving, the impact of the message being imparted, they are perfection in terms of engraved glass for me.
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Post by: chopin-liszt on February 16, 2012, 12:14:45 PM
Ahem, I want those pieces. (Price of oil and drowning of the innocents) I've wanted them for YEARS and years and years. Paws off if they ever come up!
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Post by: flying free on February 16, 2012, 12:51:32 PM
 :-[  I can't guarantee that  ;D
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Post by: nigel benson on February 16, 2012, 01:25:08 PM
I doubt anyone will get their hands on 'The Price of Oil' as it's in a collection that is unlikely ever to be broken up because of the way it has been formed, and it's role within museums. Wonderful thing to hold though ;) 8)

Unfortunately, us mere mortals are only ever likely to be able to own a piece of Peter's earlier work which was produced as 'bread and butter' by him. The commission pieces are really special, and a tad pricey if they ever come to the market!!

Nigel
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Post by: chopin-liszt on February 16, 2012, 01:31:16 PM
 :cry:
You do know how to kick a girl when she's down, don't you, Nigel?  :P
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Post by: flying free on February 16, 2012, 01:41:03 PM
never say never Nigel  :)
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Post by: nigel benson on February 16, 2012, 08:56:10 PM

C'mon Sue, I did include myself.........and someone I know actually has a piece of Alison Kinnaird..... :o  ;)

Nigel
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Post by: chopin-liszt on February 17, 2012, 11:56:47 AM
And there was me, being kind and resisting rubbing that in, Nigel!
It is always a huge consolation.  ;D
It came out nicely in the 2012 calendar, didn't it?
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Post by: nigel benson on February 17, 2012, 01:12:28 PM
Quote
......the 2012 calendar,......

Which is where...........??  :o

Nigel
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Post by: chopin-liszt on February 17, 2012, 01:22:23 PM
Here.

http://www.yobunny.co.uk/calendars/index.php

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Post by: Barry the Glass on September 20, 2012, 05:24:05 PM
The Pice you are referring to is a closed neck form in to tone colourer and was made in my studio in Fulham and is singed Barry Cullen and has a stock number after 1983 and a galley piece not for the market stall at Covent Garden
this is simpler then the price of oil I was doing a series of closed neck forms to do with optics and colour 
it nice to see it again thank you
Barry Cullen
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Post by: chopin-liszt on September 20, 2012, 05:35:04 PM
Hello, and a huge welcome indeed, Barry!  :)

Thank-you so much for commenting and the extra information..

And thank you so much, for your part in "The Price of Oil".  It is a treasure which really should belong to the whole world. 

(much as though I lust after being it's custodian for just a little while.... ::)  )
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Post by: flying free on September 20, 2012, 05:55:18 PM
Hello Barry and welcome to the board  :)
Thanks for adding information on the beautiful vases.  It's interesting and much appreciated to us collectors to see the actual makers commenting on the pieces discussed here,  and to have extra information.
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Post by: aa on September 20, 2012, 06:24:13 PM
Hallo Barry! Long time no see! Whereabouts in the world are you these days?

All the best,

Adam
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Post by: nigel benson on September 20, 2012, 09:51:46 PM
What a very pleasing surprise. I'd forgotten the thread (along with too much else!), so it was brilliant to find that you had dropped by Barry.

Thanks for the comments about your work.

Hope all is well with you.

Kind wishes, Nigel
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Post by: Barry the Glass on September 22, 2012, 10:44:03 AM

The piece you are referring to is a closed neck form in two tone coloured and was made in my studio in Fulham and is signed Barry Cullen and has a stock number after 1983 and a gallery piece not for the market stall at Covent Garden.
This is a simpler piece than the Price of Oil.  I was doing a series of closed neck forms to do with optics and colour. 
Its nice to see it again thank you.

Barry Cullen
spelling mistake
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Post by: flying free on September 22, 2012, 11:00:52 AM
 ;D Barry I hope you saw the messages and welcomes to your initial post above?
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Post by: Barry the Glass on September 23, 2012, 12:32:57 PM
;D Barry I hope you saw the messages and welcomes to your initial post above?
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Thank you all for your welcome and generosity.   I was very touched by all your responses and overwhelmed by it all.  I still live in the U.K. not far from London.

Barry Cullen
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Post by: Baked_Beans on March 07, 2013, 05:42:57 PM
Here is another example of Barry's work in lipstick pinks and white, signed and dated '82......lovely !
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Post by: Barry the Glass on March 08, 2013, 01:30:52 PM
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Dear Mike
Its one of a series no more then 4 pieces in that colour, one was engraved by Madeleine Dingle for Don Knight sadly no longer with us. 
Its nice to see the old work turning up, I did wonder if any survived

Thank you.

Barry   
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Post by: Baked_Beans on March 08, 2013, 08:19:46 PM
Thanks Barry !

I really feel very lucky to have found it ! It's so striking , I haven't ever seen glass looking so pink !

What was the engraved design on Madeleine's piece ? Are you still blowing glass at the moment ?

Cheers, Mike.
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Post by: chopin-liszt on March 09, 2013, 12:09:02 PM
I'll lay odds on Flying-free is desperate to know about the engraved one too. ;)

I'm not fond of pink or white; and especially not together - but this piece stands out - it is artistically powerful enough to overcome any "sweetieness" and I do like it, very much.
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Post by: Barry the Glass on March 09, 2013, 02:31:52 PM
                                                                                       Re Lipstick
Dear Mike
Its one of a series no more then 4 pieces in that colour, one was engraved by Madeleine Dingle for Don Knight sadly no longer with us. 
Its nice to see the old work turning up, I did wonder if any survived

Thank you.

Barry

Dear Mike Here is the M D vars
Barry
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Post by: Baked_Beans on March 09, 2013, 05:09:03 PM
Thanks Barry, ever so much, for posting a pic. of the M D vase ! So it was the clear sections she engraved . It looks really beautiful !

I found a link to a photo of 'The Price of Oil' so I thought I would post it here for reference as it was mentioned above.

 http://www.photostore.org.uk/usPOST.aspx?WORKID=7290

Barry was 'Acid Rain' , Peter Dreiser, also one of your vases, it's on page 93 of Techniques of Glass Engraving (2nd edn.) Dreiser & Matcham ?

Sue , I couldn't agree more , it's gorgeous ! 

Cheers, Mike.

 
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Post by: chopin-liszt on March 09, 2013, 05:23:12 PM
That photo doesn't do "The Price of Oil" much justice... it looks far better "straight on" than from an angle above, but you're right, Mike  :) we should have an image of it here.

I do find myself wondering if the photographer wanted to disguise the highly significant message of this work - that the fish are all suffocating and dying...
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Post by: Baked_Beans on March 09, 2013, 06:18:40 PM
'Acid Rain' is even worse, Sue  :(
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Post by: chopin-liszt on March 09, 2013, 06:32:47 PM
Can't find it! But I did find "Drowning of the Innocents".

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8515300@N02/4188434838/
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Post by: wolkenreb on March 09, 2013, 06:49:38 PM
Beautiful and thought provoking pieces!
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Post by: aa on March 09, 2013, 08:44:55 PM
That photo doesn't do "The Price of Oil" much justice...

Definitely not. It's an outstanding piece. I should have bought it when I had the chance in the eighties!
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Post by: chopin-liszt on March 10, 2013, 11:00:05 AM
Aaah, the ones that got away, Adam!  :'(
However, pieces of  such importance as these belong in museums, not private collections.
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Post by: Baked_Beans on March 10, 2013, 05:43:57 PM
Sadly I've been unable to locate a pic. of 'Acid Rain' on the internet . There's a stunning photo of it in Dreiser's book (mentioned above) . It's another national treasure !
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Post by: chopin-liszt on March 11, 2013, 05:43:21 PM
I'd be really interested to find out a bit about how the engraver collaberates with the glassmaker to produce such amazing final works.

The glass itself is so important - it must merge with, suggest and illustrate the design before it is finally put on.
I know that Allister Malcolm makes "blanks" for Jonathan Harris, and that Jane Charles makes "blanks" for Julia Linstead.

I find myself looking more and more at the work in the blank, behind the surface work these days.
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Post by: Baked_Beans on March 12, 2013, 07:52:35 PM
It's a very interesting example of a symbiotic relationship between two artists and I can't think of any other area of the fine arts where this happens  ;)
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Post by: chopin-liszt on March 13, 2013, 11:30:13 AM
Yes, I do agree - but how often does the glassmaker get the credit they deserve for it?

It's always the engraver - the cold glass artist. The one who draws lines on it.

Not the one who battles to work with and control huge weights of 1000 degree celcius molten syrup!
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Post by: Baked_Beans on March 13, 2013, 06:09:32 PM
Absolutely !

The last thing (I would imagine) a glass artist would be thinking about , whilst grappling with molten glass syrup , is a symbiotic relationship with a glass engraver .   :)

In Peter Dreiser's book it would have been really informative to know who created the form and colour of his work.

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Post by: flying free on March 13, 2013, 07:04:12 PM
I love the engraved piece - thanks for sharing :)

I agree with the recent comments - I like to know who made the blank and who decorated the glass.

For more recent contemporary glass, the blower and and the decorator are now usually credited.

I have to say though, I am finding the more interesting antique pieces I'm researching are the ones where I have two lines of enquiry :) i.e. the decorator and the maker of the blank. 
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Post by: Barry the Glass on December 04, 2013, 05:22:56 PM
Thanks Barry, ever so much, for posting a pic. of the M D vase ! So it was the clear sections she engraved . It looks really beautiful !

I found a link to a photo of 'The Price of Oil' so I thought I would post it here for reference as it was mentioned above.

 http://www.photostore.org.uk/usPOST.aspx?WORKID=7290

Barry was 'Acid Rain' , Peter Dreiser, also one of your vases, it's on page 93 of Techniques of Glass Engraving (2nd edn.) Dreiser & Matcham ?

Sue , I couldn't agree more , it's gorgeous ! 

Cheers, Mike.

Just found this hop it pleases every body .
and for the record I started in glass in 1969 have a look at icicles.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/barith/
and why are you dealers selling my glass so cheaply.
there was a to tone green bowl that went for nothing on eBay a really good piece
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Post by: flying free on December 04, 2013, 05:47:48 PM
Barry thanks so much for posting the link to your glass!  Fabulous to see all the pieces.
I've linked to the Price of Oil from your link on your photos, as it is a bigger size pic so folks can see the shape and colours and the engraving more clearly.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/barith/9718018788/lightbox/
m
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Post by: chopin-liszt on December 04, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
And if you're already in that link, you can just use the arrows to see everything else nice and big too! :)

Barry, ebay isn't what it was, it's gone seriously greedy with excessive charges, and folk are not buying with the recession.
I don't even look, these days.  :'(

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Post by: wolkenreb on January 02, 2014, 12:09:28 AM
"and why are you dealers selling my glass so cheaply"
EDITED TO DELETE WRONG LINK!!
there was a to tone green bowl that went for nothing on eBay a really good piece "

'you dealers'??!! How very dare you! My guess is that there are very few 'dealers' on tnis board . . Humph


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Post by: flying free on January 02, 2014, 12:18:57 AM
I think you put a wrong link in by accident Wolkenreb?

Barry, the board is a mixed board and from what I see it comprises people who are interested in and love glass.  Many are collectors, some are dealers, some collect and have to sell as well otherwise they'd not be able to continue collecting (me :)  ).  But all contribute to the board knowledge in various ways and to the good of glass reference/accurate history (at least in my opinion). 

Glass on ebay finds it's current price the same as any auction.  If two people want something badly it will sell well.  If only one person wants it and the start price isn't very high, then it will sell for the base start price.  That is the way of an auction I guess.

It also goes in and out of fashion and desirability very quickly from what I can see.  And in order for something to be desirable to many, many must know about it.  That's why marketing is so important :) 

m
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Post by: wolkenreb on January 02, 2014, 12:23:25 AM
Thanks M, have deleted the erroneous link!
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Post by: Baked_Beans on February 01, 2014, 07:30:03 AM
Thanks for the link to photos of you and your work Barry ....love it !

My lipstick vase is the exact same vase as shown in your photo  ;D

It's just that the your photograph has been printed from the wrong side of the negative  :)
Title: Re: Studio art glass vase help with signature. ID = Barry Cullen studio glass
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 08, 2014, 08:13:22 PM
I recently contacted the publishers of 'Techniques of Glass Engraving' (second edition) by Peter Dreiser & Jonathan Matcham, 2006, ISBN 10 07136 75160 , ISBN 13 978 0713675160, A & C Black (Publishing) Limited / Bloomsbury Publishing . They very kindly gave me permission to take a photo of a photograph printed in the book on page 93 and publish it here on Glassmessages.com . The photo is of 'Acid Rain' engraved by Peter Dreiser, 1986 , 20cm high vase. The original photo in the book was taken by Peter Dreiser himself. For any further publication of this photo you would need to ask the permission of Bloomsbury Publishing here......

http://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/company/permissions/

As 'Acid Rain' is clearly related to 'The Price of Oil' and it has been quoted above (by me!), I thought it would be a good idea to show it here. As far as I know it's the only image of this vase on the internet (but I could be wrong here).

At the base there are the skeletal remains of fish .
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Post by: chopin-liszt on February 09, 2014, 11:51:38 AM
 :o  :o  :o

How very, very kind and thoughtful; what a wonderful addition to this thread;

What a vase...

utterly, utterly fabulous.
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Post by: Baked_Beans on February 09, 2014, 03:17:06 PM
Isn't it just ! I'd like to thank Bloomsbury Publishing for letting me do it  :D
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Post by: chopin-liszt on February 09, 2014, 03:49:05 PM
Me too.  ;D