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Title: Whitefriars Cut Pedestal Bowl for Id and dating please
Post by: Bernard C on September 19, 2011, 11:08:29 AM
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H. 5" 12.7cm, d. 6¼" 15.7cm, foot d. 4¾" 11.8cm, w. 2lb 9¼oz 1170g.

Help please.   After spending some time going through the excellent collection of Whitefriars catalogues on W/F dot com here (http://www.whitefriars.com/catalogues), the closest match on the cut pattern I could find was a C295 Rose Bowl here (http://www.whitefriars.com/catalogues/contents.php?pageNum_catalogue=5&totalRows_catalogue=308&id=9730).   The only difference is that the C295 pattern shown has two angled cuts each way within each diamond, dividing it into nine, whereas my larger bowl has three each way, dividing the diamond into sixteen.

Was this typical of Whitefriars cut glass patterns — i.e. that some patterns were modified in this way to suit the scale of the piece?

Another possibility is that the pattern was modified just enough to satisfy a demand for exclusivity from a trade buyer such as Marks and Spencer (known for demanding exclusivity from as long ago as the 1930s — see Baker & Crowe).

... and, of course, I could have completely missed my bowl's pattern in my trawl through the catalogues!

Your views please.

Thanks for your interest,

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: Whitefriars Cut Pedestal Bowl for Id and dating please
Post by: johnphilip on September 19, 2011, 01:01:23 PM
Hi Bernard have you checked the Harrow pattern ,  i have a decanter somewhere with that cut . Nashy on dot.com should know .
Title: Re: Whitefriars Cut Pedestal Bowl for Id and dating please
Post by: Bernard C on September 19, 2011, 02:13:09 PM
JP — Thanks for your reply.

I'm having difficulty finding any difference at all between C295 and C640 Harrow, so my comments above apply equally to both patterns.   Is there any difference?

Bernard C.  8)