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Title: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Glen on January 30, 2007, 10:54:37 AM
A friend of mine in Australia has found a small footed cake stand (aka flat topped comport / salver) in what she thought was Davidson's no. 269 (sometimes called Blackberry). It's a familiar pattern, made distinctive by its prunts that look a bit like berries.

I have communicated with Chris Stewart (our well known Davidson expert) and he mentioned that the 269 has 7 points on top of the prunts. Now just to complicate things, my Aussie friend looked at her piece and it has only 6 points on top of the prunts!

So, here is my plea. Can anyone who has a 269 piece please (pretty please) check to see how many points are on top of the prunts. I've been zooming around the web and every piece I have been able to look at closely has the 7 points.

We are wondering if in fact my friend's piece is a "look-alike" and not by Davidson at all.

Further bits of info to help you.

1. My friend's mystery piece measures 6 inch in diameter and is 3.1/2 inches high.

2. You can see a close up of the prunts here
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/PRUNTS.html

3. If you don't know what the 269 looks like, you can see a couple of items on this page on Chris & Val Stewart's Davidson website
http://www.cloudglass.com/Gallerypostwar.htm

So...have you got a piece with 6 points on the prunts? Have you seen or do you have a similar cakestand/comport  in this pattern? Any thoughts or comments will all be gratefully received. Thank you.

Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 30, 2007, 12:49:26 PM
I will count prunt points when I get home. ;D Ask your friend to look and see if the base is ground or not and if made in England is impressed in the bottom. This design was produced for so long that it's entirely possible that not all the moulds had the same number of points - who but a saddo  8) glass collector would notice ;D. No offence is to be taken here!
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: ChrisStewart on January 30, 2007, 01:06:41 PM
Hi all.

Although in production from 1908 to the 1970s, most of the production of this pattern was in the form of oval and round dishes of various sizes. The early production was in the standard shapes for a Davidson suite – plates (oval and round, crimped and plain), dishes (oval and round, crimped and plain), comports, sugar, cream, low sugar, low cream, butter, celery etc. By the 1930s this range had shrunk to mainly oval and round dishes.

The only examples of the 269 suite I have on display are dishes – the rest are in boxes in the garage and very difficult to get to. All of the dishes have 7 points on the prunt. These dishes range from 1920 to 1970 in date.

 I think this a first for GMB – never has a single feature of a glass design been under such scrutiny! 

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: glassaddict on January 30, 2007, 03:00:51 PM
Have you a picture of the comport?  Bagley's Katherine is similar - different in the centre though.

I have looked at 7 of my Davidson dishes and they all have 7 points on the prunt.

Hil :)
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Glen on January 30, 2007, 03:48:31 PM
Thank you for your comments - sorry for the delay in responding (I've been out having slight emergencies involving punctured tyres).

Here are a couple of photos of my friend's piece.
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/PRUNTS2.html

I'll ask her about the ground base, Christine, and also the possible lettering (though I know she's looked at it pretty carefully so far) - thanks for the suggestion.

Chris - sincere thanks again for your input and your help with this mystery.
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 30, 2007, 04:52:35 PM
No ignore my questions, they aren't relevant, I hadn't realised you meant an all-in-one comport,  I was expecting a dish on a stand and those photos would show any mark
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 30, 2007, 08:13:05 PM
Seven on mine. Perhaps what we need is somebody else wih a comport. ???
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Anne on January 31, 2007, 03:09:00 AM
Seven on mine too but they are the sort with the chrome stands, not all-in-one glass stands.
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Cathy B on January 31, 2007, 08:08:11 AM
Your best chance is probably matching that base. (It's familiar for some reason).
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Glen on January 31, 2007, 11:48:44 AM
Thanks so much for looking, Cathy, Anne, Christine, Hil.

Please, please, please - has anyone, anywhere got a cakestand/salver/stemmed comport like this?
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/PRUNTS2.html
 
Has anyone got a piece with a matching base /stem (as per Cathy's suggestion)?
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: pamela on January 31, 2007, 09:34:35 PM
Glen, thank you, very interesting! Mine is 5 kilometres far from here, but from the photo I would guess 7 prunts
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/03115.html
haven't got a centrepiece like that of your friend, I'm afraid

Chris, did you not know that we (collectors in Germany) count the sablé and dots of these patterns f.e.:

http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/03232.html
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/deckeldosen/05447.html
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/04548.html


... and many more: and none is like the other  >:D  :-X  ;D
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Tony H on February 01, 2007, 03:23:33 AM
Glen
Here is a link to a comport in Davidson 269 not the same as your friends but it may be of some help to you.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4814

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4813

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4812

I have had a look at all my other 269 one plate on metal stand the rest are dishes round and oval large medium and small, all are 7 point

Tony H in NZ
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Glen on February 01, 2007, 09:16:16 AM
I only have a few moments to write, but I simply have to say a quick thank you to Pamela and Tony H for their input. More later - I just wanted to acknowledge and thank all those who have been kind enough to help.
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Gill on February 01, 2007, 07:46:24 PM
I have quite a large bowl in this pattern, counted the points on the prunts and there are seven! Will post a pic later if you like, batteries just gone on camera, (cross eyed now anyway!)
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Glen on February 01, 2007, 08:34:09 PM
Thanks Gill - and yes, if you have the time to take a pic (when you're less cross eyed) that would be wonderful.  :)

Glen
Title: Re: Davidson (269 Blackberry prunts) - help needed please
Post by: Ekimp on March 10, 2022, 06:57:33 PM
I’m not very enthusiastic about pressed glass to be honest but bought one of these today as it had a label and was only £1.50.

It is Davidson blackberry prunt design 269 as far as I can see, the design that is the subject of this topic.

Regarding the number of points making up the prunts, looking online and the links on here, most of these designs have seven points around a larger central disk. For example, see reply 6 here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,28572.msg155205.html . I assume this is the style most people are talking about when they say there are seven points to the prunt.

But, the drawing of the design from the 1928 catalogue looks to have just six points around a central point: https://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=1013&pos=617

Then my bowl has a combination. Some prunts have six points around a central point and some have only five points around a central point.

It seems there is some variation in genuine Davidson designs, maybe this has been resolved, am I missing something? The continuation of this topic here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,9296.msg78813.html seems to suggest the items with the wrong number of points per prunt are Chinese reproductions. Unfortunately the links in that are dead. Confusing!