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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Scandinavian Glass => Topic started by: Della on December 17, 2005, 10:58:22 AM

Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin? ID = Riihimaen
Post by: Della on December 17, 2005, 10:58:22 AM
Ok, lets see if I have learnt something from the knowledgeable people on this board. I hope I have paid attention.
I think that I have a cased glass, double flared vase from Riihimaen Lasi, designed by Tamara Aladin. The only problem that I have, is that this one is 12" high and I have only seen others at 10" high, but again I am learning.
Any info would be welcome.
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/TAR.jpg)
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/TARB.jpg)
Thanks......Again. :lol:  :lol:
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Tigerchips on December 17, 2005, 06:28:23 PM
I'm learning too, isn't this a Bamboo vase? Either Aseda or Riihimaki, yes?

I've seen that base somewhere before, can't think where though.  :)
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Sklounion on December 17, 2005, 06:38:56 PM
Della,
a word of caution, based on what looks like snow/ice in your garden....
thermal shock.... can seriously damage your glass, with large temperature changes causing fractures/shattering, particularly if you are moving the glass from a heated house to the garden and back.
regards,
Marcus
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Max on December 17, 2005, 06:51:16 PM
Hi Della  :D

It's a nice Riihimaen vase, I have a few in different colours.  I've also got a clear chunkier one with a Finncrystal sticker on it, which was their export label (according to Smoke & Ice).

As to the designer, it could be Tamara Aladin, but I've never seen it attributed definitely to anyone.

PS:  That's a lovely colour, and it's the one I'm missing!   :(
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Della on December 17, 2005, 11:25:59 PM
Hi Tigerchips :lol:  :D ,
I think bamboo vases really look like bamboo. I have surfed and surfed on the Internet and bambo vases are a little bit different. I have seen the same vase, as I have, different colour, smaller size on http://www.vetrocollections.com/, they also have a bamboo vase for sale. They say that my vase is designed by Tamrara Aladin and made by Riihimaen Lasi in the 70's. I am a little bit lost with Riihimaen Lasi Oy (Oy means Comapny, I think :!: ) and Riihimaki. The difference was explained in a thread once, but I can't find it again.
The base was discussed in an earlier thread, which was about a 'pala' vase and concetric circles, if my memory serves me correctly.
Marcus :wink: ,
I did read a post not so long ago, about temperature changes and the effect it can have on glass. I did take note and took this photo when the vase was extremely cold.....the post man had delivered it 10 minutes before I took the photo. I really do appreciate your concern and hope that new members take as much notice of the posts that are written as I do. I really do read all that members post on these forums, and I do take thing seriously.
Hi Max,  :lol:
I can only go off what I have read. On the site, mentioned above, they accredit Tamara Aldain with this design. I have just seen another vase, with a Riihimaen sticker attached, for sale here in Holland, but I am coming back to the UK next week so I can't make a bid. I have added it to my favourites and I hope that it is still for sale when I come back.
I must say, I also love the colour of this vase. The photo, which I saw before I bought this vase, did not do it justice at all.
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Pinkspoons on December 18, 2005, 12:38:39 AM
Quote from: "Deltab"
I have seen the same vase, as I have, different colour, smaller size on http://www.vetrocollections.com/


 :shock:

Those prices are obscene!
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: David555 on December 18, 2005, 12:49:30 AM
I love this vase.

I collect Riihimaen in the blue colour ways.

The base rings give it away as being Riihimaen (for me), put together with that colour and Max's similar labelled vases.

On another thread we did the base rings to death LOL.

Ivo told explained to us about the rings, that it’s the cylindrical ones that have them rather than the other shapes, to do with a turning process in the mould.

If Max can’t get the designers name from all the books I know she has on Riihimaen (Scandinavian) glass, then I won’t even try. Only a silly uneducated guess - since Aladin liked the undulating shape (Tuulikki) I would settle on him, but don’t take that as an attribution.


It is a beautiful vase and nice and tall, I wonder if I could impose on you to post the weight and the thickness of the rim for a little research I am doing.


Thanks

Adam P

P.S. just looked at the site Nic - been in it before for a browse but you are right a different colour with the Aladin attribution

vase (http://www.vetrocollections.com/popup2.htm?photos/wheat_00349vas.jpg)

Also - If I was to assess my Riihimaen collection on their prices, I could buy a second home - LOL a lot of these go for £12.00 on eBay I have lots of these vase (http://www.vetrocollections.com/popup2.htm?photos/charc_00359vas.jpg) they want $225.00!!

vase (http://www.vetrocollections.com/photos/ameth_00367vas.jpg) and is this $225.00 Riihimaen surely not Aseda
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Della on December 18, 2005, 08:00:03 AM
Sure Adam, no problem. It weighs 1.398kg and the rim is 6mm.

Nic - I thought that they were pricey too.
I only paid 10 pounds for this one, so I am quite happy with my purchase.
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: David555 on December 19, 2005, 12:33:44 AM
Thanks Della

1.4k is a good weight despite the size, a rim of 6mm is much thicker than other pieces of cylindrical Riihimaen. I have a few pieces within the range of your piece, same muted colours and turned base, thicker rim, and heavier than other pieces, the glass seems to have more of a sparkle.

I can't put my finger on it, there seems to be a connection

What do you think Max .. or is this just one of my fantastical theories again LOL

vase (http://hometown.aol.com/Sterlingbooks03/Riihimaen.jpg)

vase (http://hometown.aol.com/Sterlingbooks03/rihhbase.jpg)

Both the above are really heavy 1.4 /2 kilos

vases (http://hometown.aol.com/Sterlingbooks03/2vases.jpg)

These are typical Riihimaen but very light and rim is thin

Adam P
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Max on December 19, 2005, 09:27:00 AM
Ok... :D ...I've taken down a couple of vases from a shelf and spread dust far and wide!   :roll:  :x

I'd say Della's vase is almost certainly Finncrystall...the Riihimaen export label.  Here's a photo of my one against a 'normal' Riihimaen vase in the same shape.

http://tinypic.com/ir8jua.jpg

http://tinypic.com/iv8e15.jpg

The rim on my clear Finncrystal piece is a whopping 7mm thick and it's a shade under 12" high.  The amber vase looks tiny by comparison, huh?  Both vases have the concentric rings to the base.
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: paradisetrader on December 19, 2005, 02:18:51 PM
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Those prices are obscene!


They seem very high to us Nic. but
1) You can't expect Ebay prices from online shops where they may hold items for a long time - as opposed to the 10 days or whatever for Ebay.

2) We see a lot of Riihimaki here in UK (and Holland it seems ?) but it seems not to be so prevelant in the States and while we may be comfortable buying glass from other countries, most people don't even think of it, so national prices can vary considerably.

On the other hand iittala and Kosta are generally much cheaper in the States than here. I've seen items from these companies go for very high prices on Ebay UK when they are available at discount stores in the US !

Some easily recognised and well known pieces do have an international price it seems. Terry saw a signed Tapio Wirkkala Palas Vase in a shop in Iowa City for almost exactly the same price as offered by Willem Botterweg online from Holland which in turn was not far above what that item would be expected to fetch on ebay.
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Della on December 19, 2005, 03:12:54 PM
Hi Max,
Thanks for taking the time to put your vases next to each other and photograph them. That is really kind of you and does put things in perspective for me. :D
 
Hi Peter,
As to whether there are a lot of Riihimaki pieces in Holland....I really don't know. My knowledge (as you know) is very limited. Ivo is the best one to answer that one. I live in a really, really tiny village and flea markets are few and far between, 2-3 a year in a very broad area, and carboots don't exsist. Shops don't open on Sundays and close early on Saturdays.

Oh, roll on Friday when I can come home to the UK for Christmas :!:
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Pinkspoons on December 19, 2005, 03:53:56 PM
Quote from: "paradisetrader"
1) You can't expect Ebay prices from online shops where they may hold items for a long time - as opposed to the 10 days or whatever for Ebay.


This is true, but they make even the most expensive of UK retro-collectable shops appear good value for money.  :lol:  But I suspect that the prices would probably seem high to Americans too, as the sellers have almost certainly done no real research into values as they have put blanket prices on practically every piece taking no account of varying desirability of different designs/colours/sizes.

I've found a lot of American eBay users don't mind buying from abroad, though, as their eBay automatically shows you search results from around the world and you have to click things for a native-specific search. The opposite of eBay UK. In my (admittedly modest) experience of around 250 sales, about 1/3rd of my vintage items on eBay go to the USA.

Holmegaard, I've noticed, tends to sell a lot cheaper in the USA, though. And in Australia. Unfortunately postage costs usually bump the prices back up to UK prices - but not always!  :)
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Ivo on December 19, 2005, 03:59:36 PM
Quote from: "Deltab"
whether there are a lot of Riihimaki pieces in Holland....I really don't know. My knowledge (as you know) is very limited. Ivo is the best one to answer that one. I live in a really, really tiny village and flea markets are few and far between, 2-3 a year in a very broad area, and carboots don't exsist. Shops don't open on Sundays and close early on Saturdays.


you should go out more  :D  I think there are good markets on a regular basis in EIndhoven, home of Dutch modernity, and you're in its burb!

i can confirm that Holland is full of Riihimäki and Åseda, but mostly smaller pieces.  The Dutch never spent money on decoration, and  Åseda and Empoli were cheap in the 60s. Riihimäki was a class better, and Iittala was only for the affluent.
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Max on December 19, 2005, 04:31:36 PM
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Hi Max,
Thanks for taking the time to put your vases next to each other and photograph them. That is really kind of you and does put things in perspective for me.  


No problem at all.   :)  xx
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: David555 on December 19, 2005, 06:35:36 PM
Finncrystall

Very interesting Max ... ones I have seen with this label (same pattern yet different weights and rim sizes, some with same, some without rings) are heavy and have the thicker rim. I am very glad you responded Max and showed the vases side by side.  

Max I have not got my books from Finland yet so can I ask when was the Finncrystall label applied for the first time. It's a long shot but it may correlate with an overhaul in production. I am interested in this now as I have same pattern vases with some having heavy weight with the 6mm rim

Adam P

Thanks again Max
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Max on December 19, 2005, 06:38:17 PM
David said:
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Max I have not got my books from Finland yet so can I ask when was the Finncrystall label applied for the first time.


I'm sorry...I don't think I can help there.  I'll see if I can find out.  :?
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: Ivo on December 19, 2005, 06:52:16 PM
late 60s and 70s according to Smoke and Ice
Title: Is this by Tamara Aladin?
Post by: David555 on December 19, 2005, 09:21:28 PM
Thanks Ivo
Title: Tamara Aladin vase.
Post by: Della on June 06, 2006, 10:57:39 AM
Hi All,

A while back, I posted a question about a vase that I have.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,3612.0.html

The general consensus was that these vases were probably designed by Tamara Aladin, but as yet they had not been positively attributed as such.

I have been in touch with a lovely lady, called Anna Hjalmarsson at http://www.old-items.com/ She informs me that these vases are a Tamara Aladin design and that the name of them is "Reimari" She acquired the attribution from an avid Finnish glass collector and she has no reason to doubt the information given to her.
Title: Tamara Aladin vase.
Post by: Pip on June 06, 2006, 11:37:05 AM
Thanks for that Della - I've got one of those too.  Also, cheers for the link to that lady's site - I really enjoyed browsing through her lovely stuff :-)
Title: Tamara Aladin vase.
Post by: Max on June 06, 2006, 11:41:36 AM
Thank you Della, it all helps!   :D   I wish I could lay my hands on a concise book of Aladin's work, but I'm sure it exists.  :?   The fact you've got a name for it now can only help.   :)