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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Anne on May 22, 2010, 09:44:20 PM
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Picked this up last weekend for a song and would love to know who made it... it stands 280mm tall and 160mm diameter across the base, dings like crystal but isn't overly weighty.
It has a three-armed gilt metal shade carrier with an old earth-less brass lampholder, so I'm assuming it should have had a glass shade? The shade carrier has come off at the moment and I don't want to fit it back until it's been rewired for safety.
Any suggestions where to start looking please?
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Adding a pic of the lamp holder / shade carrier too in case that helps date this.
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I was going to say not earlier than the 50s but now I am not so sure, is the metalwork flimsy and what sort of metal is it?
John
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It's not flimsy, John. It's some sort of base metal that's been brassed over by the look of it... but I know precious little about lamps! ::) The lamp holder is a metal one though... does that help at all?
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It should help to narrow the date down a bit Anne, my guess would still be fifties, but it might be earlier (30s). Generally, these days, bulb holders are made of plastic of one form or another (better electrical insulation & safety) but you can still buy them new made from metal.
It looks like it has been buried, did you dig it out of the ground. ;D
John
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Hi Anne
I would certainly consider John Walsh Walsh as a possibility. The factory made a lot of different lamps of this type with matching cut shades. I have had a quick flip through my Walsh book and have not spotted the exact design but some very similar (all teeny weeny photocopied sheets so I could easily have missed it) :P
Regards
Hazel
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Dig it out indeed! Hah!!! :tsk: John, I suspect it's just air/damp affecting the metalwork. :P Your date estimated matches my initial thoughts as well, thanks. :thup:
Hazel, thank you! I'd not even considered a maker like Walsh - I've been trawling through catalogues on glas-musterbuch.de and Google images and my own books and reference stuff, seen lots of lamps with and without shades (but mainly with matching shades) but none that match this one. :cry:
As we don't have the shade for it I'm seeking one that will work with it once it's been rewired.
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Hazel, I've just realised that you mentioned a book with Walsh patterns and I didn't ask which book it was, so I'm asking now please. :)
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The glass of john walsh walsh 1850-1951
by eric reynolds :fr:
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If you haven't got it Anne, I'll bring it in November
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Eric also made some DVDs to go with it , all the money went to a charity that helped Erics lovely wife in her serious illness . Two of the sweetest people you could ever be lucky enough to meet . jp
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Oooooh thanks all, I'll see if I can find a copy. If not, Christine, I'd be glad of a peek through yours, thank you! :kissy:
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Anne — Diamonds and squares subdivided by double intaglio lines are typical features of many Walsh patterns, as are also the long flake cuts, and were continued by the cutting team after their transfer to Tudor. However these features weren't exclusive in any way, and I've occasionally seen examples from other Stourbridge glassworks.
Note that Walsh table lamps were often only marked on the inside of the shade, leaving the base unmarked.
Could you bring it to Birmingham? I might be more informative if I could handle it.
Bernard C. 8)
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Metal could be as early as 1900 but I would be inclined to after WW1. Very unlikely but not impossible after 40s
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Bernard, thank you! Birmingham is Nov 14th isn't it, which I can't make as I have a dress rehearsal that day so shall be up to my neck in luvvies and lights. I'm hoping to make the Feb Glass Fair as I'm not doing the next production as I'm elsewhere on performance nights.
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Frank thank you, the metalwork is the same as is on a hanging lamp (mock oil lamp type) which my Mother has which came with an orange outside / white inside shade. I'm delighted to think they might be as old as you suggest. It's such a shame there's no shade with it but it's such a pretty base that I couldn't resist it anyhow.
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The shade would have been cut glass too.
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Yep, I gathered that Frank. :kissy: I've been searching through every glass book I own and all the reference sources I can think of and have found a fair few examples of them but none match mine. :cry:
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You will have to wait till my lighting catalogues are on line >:D
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Wicked man! :P
(I have patience!) :sun:
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Waterford did a lot of these type of lamps but no idea on whether this pattern is one of theirs or not, but just suggesting as a possible other source to investigate.
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I think Waterford is usually marked isn't it? Thanks for the suggestion though. :)
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I think its Stourbridge, Stuart or Webb Corbett late 30,s.
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Nathan, thank you! Bernard thought possibly Walsh, so with your suggestions as well it's definitely looking English isn't it? :) I've still not managed to find a suitable shade but am ever hopeful!
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Too old to be Waterford and no match to their designs or patterns
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Thanks, Frank, that's useful info. Appreciate your checking. :)
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No match for early 30s Thos Webb patterns nor cutting