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Title: Lalique?????
Post by: Martinus on August 23, 2006, 11:05:23 AM
I have recently purchased a Lalique bowl but I am unsure if this is real or fake. Can anyone give me the contact details of somebody who would be able to help me.

Kind Regards
Martinus
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: Martinus on August 23, 2006, 12:15:44 PM
Ok, I have uploaded the picture hopefully it is ok, the vase is signed on the base  "lalique" the signature is too small to show in a picture it is 15cm high 24cm width weighing around 3kg, any info would be greatly appreciated!!

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2966
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: Ivo on August 23, 2006, 12:42:32 PM
Unable to locate this bowl in the 1932 general catalogue - but it could perhaps be a later item. The item is moulded and satinated all over, which is a process used by many makers - especially Barolac jumps to mind. It also looks a bit grey and cheerless for Lalique - but then I could be wrong and it could be the photograph. Finally it would be good if you could check the signature - what does it say precisely, is it needle engraved, moulded, or stamped?.
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: Martinus on August 23, 2006, 12:55:10 PM
The signature is needle engraved  "lalique".
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: Anne on August 23, 2006, 01:08:49 PM
Martinus, regarding the signature, you might find a match here:
http://www.deco1925.com/sigexamples.html or here: http://www.libertys.com/glass.htm (scroll down for Lalique marks)
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: Martinus on August 23, 2006, 01:37:51 PM
Thanks Anne but I can't find it there. Maybe I need to contact a Lalique specialist.
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: B & M on August 23, 2006, 01:50:58 PM
I'm sorry to say your bowl is not what it appears. It is in fact a Barolac pattern, originally produced by Inwald in Czechoslovakia from the mid 30's. It can be found in the 1948/50 Glassexport catalogue, available from Siegmar Geiselberger at pressglas-korespondenz.de  

A number of these pieces have had fake sigiatures added, they turn up not infrequently on ebay. It's still a nice piece of glass in its own right, just a shame someone has tried to pass it off as something it isn't.
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: Martinus on August 23, 2006, 02:00:30 PM
Thanks for the information, the signature did look a little false, do you have any idea what  the value of this bowl would be now as it's not lalique  :cry:
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: B & M on August 23, 2006, 02:23:40 PM
Martinus, In truth it's very difficult to put a value on it. Interest in Barolac is seemingly growing, albeit slowly. I have seen a number of opal pieces offered at high prices, £200+, though plain frosted examples are more common and fetch much less. The fake signiature, to my mind, devalues this bowl further. Despite the high dealer prices, Barolac also often fails to perform well at auction. A nice looking opal example of the pattern failed to make its reserve when offered on ebay recently http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220016365913

I have a fair collection of Barolac http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=144  and have rarely paid more than £50 for good opal examples, the exceptions being an opal seahorse handled vase and unusual early fish design vase with silver plating, both of which cost me about £100 each from ebay. I consider these bargains, however, in comparison with what dealers ask and what French glass of the period fetches. Closest comparison with your bowl was a similar piece, late production in plain frosted glass, I saw at an antique centre last year with a price of £60

Steven
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: Martinus on August 23, 2006, 02:33:33 PM
Again, thanks for the information, as you said the fake signature will also bring the price down. At least I now know it's not lalique and I did'nt pay that much for it thank god!!!!!
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: pamela on August 23, 2006, 05:58:34 PM
Hi Martinus, left to the photo of your pseudo-Lalique is a pink lady - what is that? where from? is it yours? can we see more please!
Thank you
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 23, 2006, 06:03:25 PM
Pamela it's here http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6809.0.html
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: pamela on August 23, 2006, 06:44:16 PM
Thanks Christine - I meant this item:
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/03023.html
Martinus photos look very much like Tony's at that time he asked for it here - and it would interest me a lot to see anotherone of these here in Europe!
Posting this and in the meantime looking for TonyH's thread  :lol:
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: pamela on August 23, 2006, 06:59:32 PM
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,3267.msg25409.html#msg25409
here we are - Tony's handled bowl - now in my possession.
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: pamela on August 23, 2006, 07:37:21 PM
Martinus please: Can you post a picture of yours with the two ladies in pink!? The pictures left to your pseudoLalique are both identical to Tony's !
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: pamela on August 23, 2006, 07:50:28 PM
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=4

whom of you recognizes this photo from Martinus' gallery?

 :?:
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: Della on August 23, 2006, 07:53:30 PM
The photo that you linked to Pamela is in "Glass Queries" gallery, where all members can post their unknown photos.
I can't remember who the bird belongs to, but it was put in the gallery in January of this year.
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: pamela on August 23, 2006, 08:02:11 PM
Thank you Della - brilliant as always!
Martinus joined GMB in February 2006
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: B & M on August 23, 2006, 08:28:19 PM
Pamela,

The bird figurine is mine, I posted it after winning it on ebay some months ago. It was unsigned but had the remains of what I thought to be a Verlys sticker on the base. No one could positively identify it, however, though an identical example later turned up apperently signed Verlys.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,3956.0.html

Steven
Title: Lalique?????
Post by: Martinus on August 24, 2006, 02:59:57 PM
Sorry Pamela, the photo's aren't mine just the  pseudo-Lalique as you now know.