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Title: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: terri232 on November 20, 2012, 07:37:19 PM
This gorgeous goblet is 7 1/2" in height but, woe is me - I do not know the country of origin or anything about it. Can someone kindly provide me with some information? Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: dirk. on November 20, 2012, 07:49:48 PM
Hi,
I think we need some close-ups - especially of the cup. Not really my field, but my gut feeling says french or belgian perhaps.
Is the cup cameo? Does the clear show a hatched structure?
Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: terri232 on November 20, 2012, 08:04:32 PM
The clear shows a type of frosted hatching I believe - I am not too good at this type of description. The stem has twisted glass in its interior...
Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: dirk. on November 20, 2012, 09:12:13 PM
Like I thought it would look like.  :)
This and similarly etched structures can be found on items made by Baccarat / France and Val St. Lambert / Belgium.
Now we need a real expert, who´s more familiar with this type of glass.... Ivo?  ;D
Or some google skills and some luck.
Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: dirk. on November 20, 2012, 09:22:39 PM
I was so intrigued by your indeed gorgeous glass I forgot my manners.  ::)
Welcome to the GMB!  :)
Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: terri232 on November 26, 2012, 08:00:48 PM
Dirk:
Any other suggestions as to how I can ID this goblet??? Would so appreciate it.

Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: Ivo on November 26, 2012, 08:42:44 PM
To me that looks very vsl - timewise I would say 1890 thru 1910. Cannot look it up right now , sorry.
Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: terri232 on November 26, 2012, 08:52:39 PM
SO sorry - what does vsl mean? And is there someplace on line you can suggest my looking it up?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: dirk. on November 26, 2012, 09:40:33 PM
VSL is Val St. Lambert / Belgium.
If Ivo (thank you!) can look it up it seems best just to be patient and wait until he´s near to his books.  ;D
Otherwise you can try to do some detective work yourself and find books on this topic or old catalogues.
Some VSL reprints e.g. are available on ebay.fr if I remember correctly or you need to find a good library
with interlibrary loan or visit Corning Museum....
 :)
Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: terri232 on November 26, 2012, 09:46:58 PM
I did write to Val St Lambert - sent them an image which they do not recognize. They want to know why I think it is VSL and if it is glass or crystal...
Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: flying free on December 17, 2012, 12:14:00 AM
I really have no idea but as a guess maybe Saint-Louis?
They used a limey green and this vase appears to have similar background half moon swirls.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/10727983_french-st-louis-cameo-glass-vase
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Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: dirk. on December 18, 2012, 08:42:15 PM
Aw, sorry Terri, completely forgot about it... :pb:
Interesting how they reacted at VSL. There are simply features about your goblet which match
techniques used by their glassworks. Did you try to follow the Baccarat route?

M., well spotted, the etched structure´s a good match also. You´re a star - just in case you didn´t know...  8)
Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: flying free on December 18, 2012, 11:55:06 PM
 :-* Dirk
Terri, something occurred to me, I don't know if Saint-Louis is right but perhaps a possible along with VSL or Baccarat...however I do know that the acid etched mark Saint-Louis put on the base of some glasses I have is incredibly faint, almost non existant on a couple.  It might be worth getting out the magnifying glass and taking it into strong daylight and examining the base to see if you can spot a faint circular mark.  I've no idea if they would have marked these cameo pieces, mine are a different design and a different era I think.  But you may spot something.
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Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: flying free on December 19, 2012, 01:25:02 AM
bit confusing now
This one has the same half moon background and is being sold as Baccarat with a link reference from a book.  As far as I can tell (difficult to see clearly though), the pattern on the background of the one in the book is not the same and neither is the pattern that has been cut onto the ground, so I wondered whether it was Baccarat?
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-BACCARAT-ETCHED-WINE-GOBLET-STEMWARE-CAMEO-CUT-ART-GLASS-CRYSTAL-/321031149440?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D4254698384368505437%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D130815382241%26

Searching further I found these two gilded goblets being sold as identified Saint-Louis (although I can't find a reference for them and can't see one in the listing) - the stems look remarkably similar to the one I've linked to above.  Therefore I'm wondering if the goblet linked above actually is Saint-Louis? - and it has the same background as the OP's goblet/wine glass
http://www.rubylane.com/item/707339-RL489/Pair-Antique-Gilded-St-Louis

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Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: dirk. on December 19, 2012, 11:51:33 AM
The latter ´St. Louis´ might perhaps be Villeroy & Boch. Olaf looks quite similar and they did some of there glasses with gilding:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Romer-von-Villeroy-Boch-Model-Olaf-/190548581954?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item2c5d949e42
Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: flying free on December 19, 2012, 12:56:07 PM
I can see the similarities in the stem Dirk.  Are there differences are the foot? does it look smaller or is it an illusion maybe  ???     and the way the merese is under the bowl is different.  However I've no idea whether these are significant differences to be honest.  I was trying to link the gilded 'Saint-Louis' with the cameo one, but it's tenuous I agree  :)
I have found a marked Saint-Louis biscuit barrel with what seems to be the same etched background though -

http://atlantaantiquegallery.com/i-5830003-st-louis-vaseline-yellow-cameo-cracker-jar.html

 I suppose what we need to know is, is this particular half moon etched background specific to Saint-Louis production only.  I've not found a single other Baccarat or VSL piece with that background but that 's not conclusive really...just a possible.
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Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: flying free on December 19, 2012, 04:51:04 PM
The one on the right here seems to have a similar stem and foot to the two I linked to - does it help clarify the maker at all?
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/76762-free-antique-stemware-from-mom?in=442
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Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: dirk. on December 20, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
Agree - we need to know how exclusively the acid pattern were used, but I´ve got no idea
how so far (without buying and reading a meter of books).  ;D

I think the right glass in the last link is a V&B gilded Olaf. The angle at which the picture
was taken may make the vessel look different. Anyone let her know?
Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: flying free on December 20, 2012, 07:26:51 PM
oops yes, when you enlarge her pics you can see it's different to the gilded 'Saint-Louis' at the merese (although caveat being that might not be a signficant difference) and is in fact the same as the one you linked to.
Helpful for her...not for us  ;D
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Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: flying free on March 02, 2013, 11:36:19 PM
this piece seems to have a similar background.  It is attributed to Val St Lambert but the metalwork says 'Made in France' although the metalwork may not have any link to the glass unfortunately.
Just wondered if anyone recognised the perfume as being from a particular maker which may help pin down the goblet.
http://www.eliteauction.com/catalogues/011412/view.php?id=156
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Title: Re: Need help in identifying this gorgeous goblet - I know nothing!
Post by: flying free on September 02, 2021, 08:14:42 PM
marked pair of Cristallerie Saint Louis vases with the same etched background as the original posters wine glass. (mark can be seen on base photos)
Also cameo cut with gilding but in ruby.

https://www.1stdibs.co.uk/furniture/decorative-objects/vases-vessels/vases/pair-of-saint-louis-cameo-enameled-vases/id-f_21250502/

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