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Title: Peacock trailed bowl - ID = Richardson
Post by: Littleblackhen on December 20, 2008, 10:55:42 PM
I just bought a lovely peacock trailed bowl, similar to stuart cairngorm in pattern, but with threading and rigaree.  It was advertised as Whitefriars, but I am not sure if it is.  Any views?

(I have obtained permission from the seller to use his photos).



Title: Re: Stuart Cairngorm, Whitefriars or Harrach? (Or someone else?)
Post by: Cathy B on December 21, 2008, 01:33:35 AM
Hi there,

It was made by H. G. Richardson around 1907, according to Mervyn Gulliver in Victorian Decorative Glass, p 204. Gulliver is very careful and doesn't attribute when he isn't absolutely certain, and your piece only differs in the colouring (but is that the photography?)

A similar piece, in an apricot colour and without the machine threading, is discussed on the following threads:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,76.msg219.html#msg219
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1901.20.html

Cheers!
Title: Re: Stuart Cairngorm, Whitefriars or Harrach? (Or someone else?)
Post by: johnphilip on December 21, 2008, 08:02:32 AM
Typical Richardson untypical Whitefriars Mervyn knows his stuff .
Title: Re: Stuart Cairngorm, Whitefriars or Harrach? (Or someone else?)
Post by: Littleblackhen on December 21, 2008, 09:08:54 AM
Thanks for the attribution, that was quick! 

I have just spent an informative half an hour reading through the past threads - how fascinating!  Did the discussed proposed research and definitive article on peacock eye glass ever happen?

This is the second piece of peacock eye glass to pass through my hands, and I have to admit it is a favourite pattern of mine.

I really need to improve my collection of glass books, but I would so much rather spend any spare money on glass than on a book, so my library is slow taking shape.

Title: Re: Stuart Cairngorm, Whitefriars or Harrach? (Or someone else?)
Post by: Bernard C on December 22, 2008, 03:27:09 AM
Please would members finding any of these or other glass with what look like original EPNS or silver marked mounts or fittings record them on the GMB.   We already have one tie-up, Martin Hall of Sheffield and Walsh, discovered some years ago by Eric Reynolds, which has helped attribute other examples of Walsh glass.   More examples can only help.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: Stuart Cairngorm, Whitefriars or Harrach? (Or someone else?)
Post by: KevinH on December 22, 2008, 03:49:39 AM
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... but I would so much rather spend any spare money on glass than on a book ...
I know the feeling, but when I first got into buying decorative glass things I found that by allocating "one decent spend" every couple of months on a good book or two, instead of on more "glass things", it actually helped me to save money through better purchases and increased my awareness of what I was filling my shelves with.

Of course, those who know that I now focus mainly on Ysart paperweights will also realise that a current "one good spend" in that field will fund quite a few decent books! It's all relative, though, as the "one good spend" is now more like once every couple of years than every couple of months, but it still works the same in principle. :)
Title: Re: Stuart Cairngorm, Whitefriars or Harrach? (Or someone else?)
Post by: KevinH on December 22, 2008, 04:06:45 AM
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Did the discussed proposed research and definitive article on peacock eye glass ever happen?
Well, the part where I was considering doing some research (as stated in this post (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1901.msg50028.html#msg50028) well over 2 years ago) never got going. Although I did make an initial tentative enquiry at Broadfield House, other things "kept getting in the way"!
Title: Re: Stuart Cairngorm, Whitefriars or Harrach? (Or someone else?)
Post by: johnphilip on December 22, 2008, 10:57:07 AM
As i have said in the past every book i have purchased has paid for itself several times over within a short time .
Knowledge is power .
Title: Re: Stuart Cairngorm, Whitefriars or Harrach? (Or someone else?)
Post by: Frank on December 22, 2008, 10:01:40 PM
I really need to improve my collection of glass books, but I would so much rather spend any spare money on glass than on a book, so my library is slow taking shape.

The writers need your spending, it keeps the research alive if you buy new books!
Title: Re: Stuart Cairngorm, Whitefriars or Harrach? (Or someone else?)
Post by: Littleblackhen on December 22, 2008, 11:46:13 PM
I really need to improve my collection of glass books, but I would so much rather spend any spare money on glass than on a book, so my library is slow taking shape.

The writers need your spending, it keeps the research alive if you buy new books!

Lol - I do hope they aren't all relying on me alone, they may starve in a garret if so.

My glass purchasing is at car boot and charity shop level on the whole, so I will have to wait for the books to hit the second hand shops, but
I do have a book coming as a Christmas present, so hopefully I will be better informed in a few days ;).
Title: Re: Stuart Cairngorm, Whitefriars or Harrach? (Or someone else?)
Post by: krsilber on December 23, 2008, 02:05:43 AM
Very nice piece for a car boot or charity shop! 

Many glass lovers I know get hooked on books as well.
Title: Re: Stuart Cairngorm, Whitefriars or Harrach? (Or someone else?)
Post by: Littleblackhen on December 23, 2008, 08:49:08 AM
I knew someone would pick me up on this :)  This one (I think) was the most expensive piece I have ever bought, courtesy of ebay giving me a free £20 voucher towards it, due to previous problems with other sellers. The lady on the helpline informed me that they are allowed to give out one £20 voucher per quarter to individual  dis-satisfied buyers which might be worth bearing in mind if you have any problems.  I had problems with 3 different sellers, with breakage, excess postage and non-arrival of goods.

I do agree with all the points made about buying books, and would love to support the research, but I need more people to support our family history research business first so that I can afford to pass it on :)