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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on September 06, 2009, 07:34:02 PM
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Had a good haul at the bs this morning, and one seller made my buy both pieces in the first pic., because he thought they belonged together. The smaller desert bowl is etched on the base Rd. 681649/Stuart (underneath). But it is the larger piece that has beaten me so far, because I am unable to read the engraved/etched wording, and don't think it's in Ivo's book. Have tried to take a pic. but not easy, and am hoping someone can recognize the outline of the words. Piece is remarkably delicate and fragile, and gives the most wonderful long lasting ring when 'flicked', and has a fantastic hum when wet. Size is 15.75 (tall) x 16 wide cms. -and has a very neatly broken pontil. Am judging from other items on the stall that piece cud easily be pre 1940 - and I did of course think the obvious when I saw the three delicate machine threaded rings - but can't see anything in Jackson's book. All thoughts very gratefully received. thanks Paul S.
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MVM
Cappellin
Murano ?
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thanks Dirk - now that you say that, it certainly looks as tho you cud be correct, although not the sort of Murano style that I am used to seeing. What sort of date wud yu put on the piece?? Paul s.
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Yes, MVM Cappellin as Dirk says, date 1920s-1930s I'd think?
Thanks also for the pic of the Stuart piece as it matches my unmarked large green one so helps confirm that too. :)
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hello Anne - and I shud of course have shown a pic. of the underside of the Stuart bowl, and mentioned also that the Rd. No. corresponds to a 1921 registration date. Anyway, glad it helped you. Cheers Paul S.
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Great find the Cappelin i have a finger bowl and stand with same signature , i believe the Stuart is Stratford range .jp just had a look at mine, signature very clear Dirk is spot on mvm cappelin murano 3 line sig , let me know if yours goes on ebay . regards jp
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thanks for your comments jp., also for help with the Stuart name. The Murano piece is possibly almost my best find at a bs. (maybe the 'peach blow just beats it), and is extremely fragile - remarkable it has lasted so long - especially Sunday morning being on a blanket on the ground in with a load of pyrex, and doesn't even have so much as a flea bite. Regret to say I don't sell any of my glass, but sometimes get the feeling that this collecting has the potential for divorce, so occasionally I slow down a little. Of course shud I end up 'On Carey Street', I may have to think again. Sincere thanks again to Dirk for his eagle eye and and knowledge in the first place. Paul S.
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you´re very welcome, Paul. sorry for my short reply - i was just about to
say good night to myself. this kind of glass isn´t anything i know much about
either, so i decided to better leave it with deciphering service. ;)
perhaps one of you kind moderators could modify the title and move it to the
murano section? we´ll possibly be able to get a designer´s name there?
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Could be Napoleone Martinuzzi or Vittorio Zecchin i will check it out later .jp
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Hi Paul sell moi the glass and take you good lady away for the weekend or you could even take your wife away . >:D ;D :) :chky:
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my thanks again jp for your expertise and help - although do intend to keep my piece of Murano as have grown very fond of it. However, cud be tempted to sell you my wife instead - comes with couple of camels and few sheep, but mother in law difficult to live with. >:D ;) ;D cheers Paul S.
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Thanks to you guys I have managed to ID this candlestick (sadly damaged...missing one curly bit.. :'( ) Here are some pics.. This is why Glassmessages works so well ..... fab. ! Thanks All !
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Good lord Mike, how on earth did you come across this thread which is 4 years old, whatever did you put in the search engine????
You are right though, this is exactly why this Forum works so well. :)
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Hi Rosie, ;)
I'm always concerned about a thread highjack, don't like to intrude , even after four years ;D !
I thought it would be a good idea to tag this on the end rather than start a new thread because of the signature . I searched under Cappelli without the n on the end ...I might have added WVM as well ...I thought it was a W rather than an M !
I hope this might be an earlier Vittorio Zecchin design dating from the 1920's perhaps , now having researched it a bit :-[ ! ? It's the same sig. as Pauls and probably by the same designer and so both perhaps by Zecchin . It's such a shame about the damage :(
Cheers, Mike.
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Some highjacking isn't really highjacking Mike, pulling threads together like this means that in many cases one confirms another, and makes things 'tidy'.
I think it is wonderful that you have such a lovely piece of glass (albeit a little damaged) and now know what the signature is and quite possibly the maker as well.
Pauls bowl is so delicate, and to think it was in a box of mixed glass tucked away in a bootfair lot of old heavy Pyrex glass, unscathed.
Nice finds for you both, and wonderful that Dirk was able to identify the signature and JP confirm it and even proffer a maker.
Happy days. :)
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Thanks Rosie ,
Paul's piece is superb and I can understand why he thought it could be Whitefriars at first glance .
Here are some examples of Vittorio Zecchin's designs, 170 odd infact, he was an Italian painter employed by Giacomo Cappellin as a designer . If you scroll down a bit and click on past auction results (view all) there are about 8 pages of his work to look through.....
http://www.artnet.com/artists/vittorio-zecchin/
My candlestick is soda glass (I think) and the signature is easy to miss, when I bought it I didn't even notice it , as its very small and neat.
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Oooh! They are beautiful Mike, thank you for giving that link....isn't that deep red the most amazing vibrant colour? Please can I ask how soda glass differs from the norm....if any of this beautiful glass could ever be termed 'norm'?
And Paul, I think halfway down page 4 is a bowl like yours.
If I were going to collect Italian glass vases and dishes, this would be the type I would want.
Superb! I am set up for the day. Thank you. :)
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Aren't they just :D,
Armed with my glass dictionary I will have a go at a soda glass definition.....
Soda glass doesn't have any lead content so is much lighter and also more difficult to cut .
The alkali is soda rather than potash . Soda glass also lacks resonance but remains plastic longer than glass made with potash so it is much easier to manipulate as in the case of Venetian glassware (facon de venise). This candlestick being a classic example. Soda glass is slightly brownish , yellowish or greeny-grey . It also contains some lime and the basic proportions are 60% silica, 25% soda, & lime 15%...so it's often called soda-lime glass. The soda itself is used as a flux and reduces the fusion point of the silica i.e. the glass can be produced at a lower temperature. Kelp was used as a source of soda in England.
Gosh, anyone would think I knew what I was talking about ;)
Well spotted , there is definitely a piece that looks something like Paul's , perhaps without the trailing. :)
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Here is some of Vittorio Zecchin's art work...........
http://belindaschneider.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/vittorio-zecchin/
8) Where's that Athena poster I once had :)
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Thank you for sharing that Mike, what an amazing artist he was.
I really will have to find a piece of his glass or a poster to have as an example of his lovely work.
When I first saw the beginning of those pictures, I thought, 'Oh his work is very Klimt-like'... then reading on, found out why!!
Fascinating reading on a very important artist and thanks again to both you and Paul's original post for bringing him to us. :)
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Yes, come to think of it, I'm pretty sure it was a Klimt poster I once had !
Here is the link to the piece you spotted which is similar to Pauls....on the far right...
http://www.artnet.com/artists/vittorio-zecchin/coupe-cornet-sur-pi%c3%a9douche-libellula-q72MA5fm01_uaIFkRarNsQ2
Interesting to read he only worked at MVM Cappellin for one year though so it makes it more difficult to know if a piece of MVM was designed by Zecchin or not. I think Paul's is a very good contender though . The picture above is so small it's difficult to tell , it might even be the same design.
As for my candlestick it's anyones guess, I guess . To find any signed MVM Cappellin piece is exciting though ! Carlo Scarpa's work for MVM is highly prized ! It certainly has sent me on a journey of discovery and I really hope you can find an example of Zecchin's design Rosie . ;)
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Thanks Mike, yes although a small picture it is very like Paul's bowl.
I will look out for a piece of Zecchin's work, and if I find a piece, perhaps I can show it here to see if I can get you or Paul ( Hi Paul!! :)) to verify it for me??
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I don't think Paul knows we are talking about him on this ancient thread of his , or perhaps he sold it to John and he doesn't want to talk about it ...but he did say he would keep it . ::)
Well if you do find a piece it's no good asking me !!
I'd still love to see it though :)
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OK Mike, I'll alert Paul then...he likes a lert!! :P
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reminds me of one of the Nigel Rees graffiti funnies..........be 'a lert' - your country needs 'lerts'.
sorry, hadn't responded as this ended up an embarrassing piece in my memory ---- should have taken jp's offer and flogged it to him and taken a lady away for the weekend - would have been more enjoyable than the glass ;). Thinking I'd never part with anything, I hung on to this for a couple of years and then, sinking slowly in a morass of glass was forced to send it to auction - and it didn't make good money - so serves me right for trying to be clever. :'(
In the event I've dropped colleting all but U.K. material - but that's not to say I wouldn't buy another of these or similar should I see one at a boot sale - I'm a lot wiser now than I was then.
So, regret I can add nothing further - but would like to record my sincere thanks to Dirk for providing the answer in the first place. :)
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Sorry to hear that Paul and thanks for dropping by ..... and I've gone and dragged it all back up again ! :'( ;)
Do you think yours was the same as in the link above ? It's difficult to tell because the pic. is so small plus the angle of the fandangle and there is no height info..
At least we can all look out for more examples now, thanks to your goodself & Dirk. :D
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Everyone pieces are Super!!!
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Thanks Rose,
I've been reading all the Cappellin threads here on GMB and this is a site TxSilver found and it shows some examples of MVM Cappellin, Soffiati, in the same colour as the candlestick amounst a host of other superb Murano glass.
If anyone hasn't seen it already then please click on this link below...thanks to TxSilver !
http://www.porroartconsulting.it/pdf/Porro_asta_50.pdf
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I've just found this site today which shows some original pre catalogue Carlo Scarpa designs....
http://www.archiviocarloscarpa.it/web/ricerca_dliste.php?pageNum_disegni=0&totalRows_disegni=139&totcriteri=1&azione=aut&fondo=1&campo1=AUTN&operatore1==&key1=disegnatore%20della%20manifattura&criterio1=AND&Submit=Vai&ordine=INV&verso=ASC&maxRows_disegni=10
very interesting !
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Wonderful sites Mike, thank you, and the best excuse I have had for a morning doing no housework I have had for a long time....and now, having seen all that beautiful glass, I will have to start upgrading my collection....sell to buy, but sell a dozen to buy one piece I think!! :o
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LOL,
This will make your mouth water, if you play the video, in this link for a huge early Zecchin vase....
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/201206A12.html
I bought the candlestick in a charity shop in Bristol for £1.25, so don't sell your collection !
We don't have many antique shops in Bristol ,`just a few, so I have to look in charity shops to find anything vintage !
I've just spent the morning drinking one cup of tea after another whilst searching yahoo.it , the hoover has collected so much dust on it that I have to hoover the hoover before hoovering ::)
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I can't get the video to play Mike, but the transcript is amazing.... and words fail me on the beautiful Zecchin Vase. My mouth is watering so much I don't need tea as well...but I'll have some anyway. :D
You really did get a bargain, worth the hunt for it, but I doubt I would be that lucky!! :(
As an aside, "I've just spent the morning drinking one cup of tea after another whilst searching yahoo.it , the hoover has collected so much dust on it that I have to hoover the hoover before hoovering!"
May I recomment the disposable fluffy dusters made by Pled9e* to dust your Hoover...and they are great for dusting the glass with fiddly bits as well!
* OTHER BRANDS ARE AVAILABLE, BUT THESE ARE THE BEST!!
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Sorry you can't get the video to work Rosie, I wonder what type of software you need to run it ? Perhaps if you downloaded BBC iplayer (if you don't have it already ) it might work. The video really gives the scale of the vase , it looks huge, sat there between the two .
The candlestick was a lucky find , I thought it was modern as there is no wear to the base and I didn't see the signature until I got it home. Then this whole world of 1920's soffiato suddenly materialised :o
It seems that many of these designs were reproduced over decades , so I think a really good starting point in collecting this type of glass seems to be MVM Cappellin as it only existed for approx. a decade 1920's/30's. Plus the fact that they had great designers. It's finding it at a reasonable price that is going to be the problem !
I will go and get some Pledge dusters ! Plus some Cilit Bang , lime & grime , for the glass I have that has calcium deposits ! ;D
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Here are some more examples of MVM Cappellin , items 19,20,21,22
http://www.porroartconsulting.it/pdf/Porro_asta_43.pdf
And this one is especially for you Rosie..... ;)
http://collectibles.about.com/b/2009/12/02/contemporary-art-glass-auction.htm
Here is a link to the William Ansley auction catalogue mentioned in the link above.....
http://www.antiquehelper.com/catalog/253
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Here are some MVM Cappellin fish !....plus some other examples on this link.
http://www.artericerca.com/Vetro%20Murano/MVM%20Cappellin%20&%20C/MVM%206.htm
At least in grouping these links together in one thread it gives an idea of what to look for from a collecting angle with this company. I hope it helps anyone discovering it for the first time, as I did :)