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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flick on December 20, 2006, 01:06:06 PM
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Dear All
I've been lurking for a while due to feeling like crap but it's soooo good to see this board up again and in such a wonderful new format.
I haven't even been combing Geneva much for glass (something must be wrong with her :(!)
BUT have found this:
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l36/flick1066/glass106.jpg
It looks like a Whitefriars 9653 the proportions look OK and is 9 inches tall (not 9 and a half), but was it made in this sort of colour?
http://whitefriars.com/catalogues/contents.php?pageNum_catalogue=2&totalRows_catalogue=222&id=331
Once more - thanks to all of you for such a lovely community. :)
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Hi Flick, Caithness also made this shape, but i'm not sure about the colour, i had that shape with a bluetit engraved on to it, and had the initilas D O on the base, until a bouncy Dalmatian puppy knocked a corner table over :'(
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Not Whitefriars... but Caithness could be a possibility. Either way, it's fairly modern, I would say.
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Think Sweden!
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Not another Aseda?! >:D
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I recently had a near identical vase in green with a 'Sea Glasbruk Kosta' foil label.
Steven
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I'm glad Ivo mentioned Sweden - I think it's Aseda too.
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I have just bought a lot with a very similar vase, with the typical Whitefriars rounded pontil (still wrapped up, but I think it is red ) - what are the characteristics to look for if it is actually Aseda instead?
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typical Whitefriars rounded pontil
??? rounded polished out pontil marks are and were the industry standard.
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I forgot to look for the pontil, shows how much you forget! It's actually completely flat on the base.
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??? rounded polished out pontil marks are and were the industry standard.
Nevertheless, the differences in bases are part of the id process, along with colour, rim finish and overall shape surely?
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I would not jump to any conclusions because of the finish of the pontil mark. There are oodles of glass makers which habitually finished their products the same way as WF did. It only underlines that a piece was made in a production facility with a pontil grinder, and that the top was finished (or else there was no need for the pontil operation).
Completely flat on the base - meaning ground and polished, or mould blown with a cut top? Either way - Aseda have made vases in all three finishes: completely ground and polished bottom, mould blown flat finish and ground out pontil, sometimes combined with flat polished bottom. Sea favoured mould blown finish, avoiding the additional operation. Johansfors and Gullaskruf often used the combined flat polished bottom with ground out pontil mark. WMF used either moulded finish or ground out pontil mark. But there are other makers for baluster shaped vases in clear cased smoke grey...
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To add to that, not all Whitefriars pieces have pontil marks!
Pontil-as-identification in the case of Whitefriars tends just to be a myth perpetrated by lazy antiques programmes on television. Several times on different programmes I've heard "A circular pontil mark is a sure sign of Whitefriars."
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And every other item listed on eBay with a polished pontil is "Whitefriars with the tell-tale pontil"... even when it's not even an English piece! ::)