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Title: More lighting!
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 23, 2005, 12:41:20 PM
:D Hello, I find lighting a very interesting topic, not from the point of view of lightbulbs so much as lampshades. Good lampshades are harder to find than any other furnishings, I think (but I do live in Scotland. I've found much better stuff abroad, but it's so difficult to get home even in simply practical terms quite apart from persuading Michael that it's worth trying!)
I've found the only way to get half decent stuff is to trawl antique shops, markets etc., which is handy anyway when glass hunting. Here are 2 lampshades I've got, of which I'm particularily proud. The first is Jobling (and yes, I know it's pink and flowery and I don't DO pink and flowery, but rules are made to be broken)

http://tinypic.com/5bwln4
http://tinypic.com/5bwlrr

Mod: Pics gone, see reposted ones here:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1566.msg18514.html#msg18514

Unfortunately, I've found recently that my brother also has a Jobling lampshade, MUCH nicer than mine! It's opalescent with hummingbirds and he WON'T give it to me. (sulk, sulk)

This next one I found in a local antique/second-hand shop. The proprietor told me it originally was for a gas-mantle, hence the pointy bit at the top of the dome. I don't know anything more about it. I think it's transfer printed. It really suits our bedroom, I like it very much, but I'd love to know more about it.

http://tinypic.com/5bwluf
http://tinypic.com/5bwlyw
http://tinypic.com/5bwm5u

Cheers, Sue.
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Frank on May 23, 2005, 02:33:52 PM
Both nice, but not to impressed by the 'reason' for the pointed shape, surely that is just a design detail. This type of shade was made mostly from the 1920's to the 1950's and get progressively yuckier the later they are. They were made earlier too. There was a lot more variety of shapes in the 1920's and older ones - the best usually have a supporting ring rather than straight chain fixing and the rings can be made of anything from cast bronze to pressed steel. Most of the brass ones were originally patinated in brown and black using a process that prevented the surface from further oxygenation.

I used to deal in lighting in the 1980's, it is what led me to lightbulbs. Such shades were relatively easy to find then and invariably cheap (until they got into my shop) and sold like hot cakes as people tried to restore homes to the period look.

There is a huge problem with identifying makers as most were sub-contracted to a glassworks for production and decorated and finished by a lighting specialist. Most glassworks would have produced shades for those companies and no records exist - for the most part.

Victorian period shades are much rarer and even in the eighties fetched substantial sums of money but the business really exploded after electric lighting took of around 1920. In the earlier days of electric lighting people did not use shades as they wanted to show off, or they were too poor.

The more stylish Art Deco shades usually sell in the hundreds or thousands and are rarely to be found.

Many from the twenties and thirties were superb examples of decoration design and I have handled some wonderful examples, sadly I never see shades of that quality anymore.
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Anne on May 23, 2005, 11:02:57 PM
I love glass lamp shades. Here in the office we have the bowl-shaped one which was in the house when we moved in, left behind by the family of the lady who lived (and died) here when they removed all her belongings. Obviously this old lampshade was of no interest to them... but we love it and were glad it was left behind. I'm not sure of the date - probably 1930's/1940's... they used to be so common - every second-hand shop and antiques shop had them but I've not seen any on sale for ages. Hangs from three chains, and is white, green, blue and orange blobs (sounds awful but it isn't!) and has to be regularly emptied of dust and dead flies which seem to collect in it!!!

Upstairs there is a pair of the clamshell shaped wall lights with chrome fittings which were salvaged from a house in Kent. I've seen these in pink, amber and opaque - which is what ours are. I just love them, and recently saw on eBay a pendant fitting in the same style but with three pink shades - I really don't like the coloured ones as much - if it had matched our shades I might have been tempted. ;)
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Frank on May 24, 2005, 08:20:21 AM
Those clamshells come in a wide range of colours and there are several different makers. Also red, yellow, pale blue, pale green and clear. They were made until relatively recently, 1970's at least, and probably still made. The main difference between older and newer is the quality and thickness of the metal.

I found the 'blobby' ceiling shades the least attractive, although I do have a nice hemispherical one in thick glass with orangey blobs.
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Anne on May 24, 2005, 03:43:58 PM
We know our clamshells are older than 1970's as we know the building they were in before we had them. (It was modernised and they were replaced with twee contemporary sidelights!) .

I agree that some of the blobby ones are horrible - they seem to vary so much in style. I *hate* the one my mother has - it's brown and white and boring!  ;)
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Frank on May 24, 2005, 05:27:37 PM
They were made by a lot of companies so it is not surprising that lots are awful... probably just churned them out with a lot of random variation to fill numbers.
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Anne on September 05, 2005, 01:35:01 PM
Ages ago Sue started this thread on lighting and I intended to photograph the shades I mentioned and never managed to do so. Now I have, so the blobby shade and the clamshell are in the gallery...

Blobby shade - unknown maker...  unlit and lit...
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-519 (http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-519)
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-518 (http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-518)

Clamshell shade and chrome fittings... one of a pair... unlit and lit...
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-521 (http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-521)
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-523 (http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-523)
Title: More lighting!
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 05, 2005, 03:12:31 PM
:D:D:D  
Thanks Anne! :D  I agree, these are nice. What I like about your blobby one is that it's not really quite blobs of colour on white, but the white seems to be blobbed, squeezing the colours inbetween the spaces. When lit it looks as if you get a lovely soft light from it. I particularly like your clam shell fittings, and they're gorgeous lit! Very Deco and luxurious. :D
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Anonymous on September 05, 2005, 05:09:44 PM
Can't currently see your images Sue - suspect a problem with TinyPic.

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Clamshell shade and chrome fittings... one of a pair... unlit and lit...

Anne, I have always referred to these as 'ODEON' light shades as I'm sure they were used in the lovely old Art Deco cinemas from the 1930s :)

Glen, I have seen some examples of Carnival lightshades - a pity they have to put up out of sight!

I can also post a few lampshades if you're interested.

David E.
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Anne on September 05, 2005, 05:48:03 PM
You could be right David. I also used to have three of those wonderful ex-cinema airchairs - the ones the arms went up and down on, and they all came from the same house in Kent. (Had them until my ex decided they were old fashioned and sent them to the tip and replaced them with a horrible modern 3-piece suite. They were sooooo comfortable and adaptable!)

Yes please to your lampshade photos. :)
Title: More lighting!
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 05, 2005, 07:25:02 PM
Hello David,
 :D Yes please, pretty please to more lampshades from me too! :D

I think my pics have disappeared because they're quite old. I've deleted them from my computer as well. Michael has the camera in Hungary for another week. I'll redo them eventually, and put them in photobucket.

 :idea: I think it would be quite nice to have a thread about various lampshades. They're an incredibly important part of how a room looks, and the modern ones you can get in the uk are mostly nasty. Finding nice ones is a real task!
Title: More lighting!
Post by: David E on September 05, 2005, 08:02:58 PM
I'll post some photos of three. One is currently winging its way to me, so will post them all at once.
Title: More lighting!
Post by: pamela on September 05, 2005, 08:48:11 PM
lampshades in pink wanted?
go to www.pressglas-pavillon.de miscellaneous lamps
enjoy!  two are DeguĂ©, one is 'Verdun? unknown, as the rest is also 8)
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Glassyone on September 07, 2005, 06:38:42 AM
Please Sue, do repost a pic of the pink flowery, I saw one last night when I went to dinner at a colleagues house. It was an heirloom and thought to hail from Ireland.
Being glassy [ the vinous kind ], I offered to research it.  Believing in the power of collective glassiness, naturally I came here.
Ruth
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Anne E.B. on September 07, 2005, 06:31:25 PM
Lighting of a slightly different kind.... Check out this link for "Petromax type pressure lanterns" belonging to a Finnish collector/enthusiast.
http://willman.20m.com/  
Handy things  to have.  Nostalgia trip coming on.... :roll:    Brings back memories of paraffin lamps used during power cuts, and camping :P   Quite a few of these for sale on last week's carboot.

Regards - Anne E.B.
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Leni on September 07, 2005, 07:21:27 PM
Anne, thank you!  You've just made my husband's day / week / month!   :D

He is in fact a lamp-nerd  :roll:   :lol:  This site will be pure heaven for him, and may even convince him that the time (considerable  :oops: ) that I spend on this message board is actually time well spent  :lol:

Leni
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Anne E.B. on September 07, 2005, 07:34:44 PM
Quote from: "Leni"
Anne, thank you!  You've just made my husband's day / week / month!   :D

He is in fact a lamp-nerd  :roll:   :lol:  This site will be pure heaven for him, and may even convince him that the time (considerable  :oops: ) that I spend on this message board is actually time well spent  :lol:

Leni


hahaha!    

(flamin' emoticons not working!) (rolling eyes!)

Regards - Anne E.B. (smiley face!)
Title: More lighting!
Post by: David E on September 09, 2005, 01:12:34 PM
As promised here are three lampshades I currently have. The first features a handpainted scene of stags and trees. Has a copper fitting with three retaining screws.

The second has a very Nouveau appearance, with pink glass and frosted panels, highlighted with gilt. Brass fitting with retaining screws.

 :shock: click any thumbnail to enlarge :shock:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Lampshades/lampshades01-t.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Lampshades/lampshades01.jpg) : (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Lampshades/lampshades02-t.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Lampshades/lampshades02.jpg)

The last is probably quite modern: 1980s? Has an excellent gloopy feel like honey dripping down the sides.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Lampshades/lampshades03-t.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Lampshades/lampshades03.jpg) : (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Lampshades/lampshades04-t.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Lampshades/lampshades04.jpg)
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Anne on September 09, 2005, 05:08:32 PM
They're gorgeous David, thank you. I especially like the stag one.

I'm sure I saw several of the honey/gloopey one on that auction site recently?
Title: More lighting!
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 09, 2005, 05:36:30 PM
:D
All very nice - I reckon the painted stag one looks great lit, same for the pink one. I love the gloopey one, but it won't disguise the bulb very well!
That's my major problem with lampshades - they don't hide the bulb!
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Anne on September 09, 2005, 06:12:24 PM
Same here, I prefer shades that conceal the bulb as well. Although if there's something really nice I won't let being able to see the bulb stop me from going for it! :)
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2005, 01:30:43 PM
Thanks for your comments!

I now much prefer energy-saving bulbs and originally these were simply too long and 'dangly' to use properly. But the modern spiral ones are very compact and can put out quite a powerful light but, more importantly, lower heat.

The stag lampshade is actually quite small (about 6" across the points) so will probably be put to use in the landing where lower light is all that's required. Suppose I could adapt it for table lamp, though :idea:  :idea: 8)

Here's one of the opposite side of the stag shade, showing different detail:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/Lampshades/lampshades-stag.jpg

Very pretty...

{harumph, adopt macho pose, need macho emoticon desperately!} (http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/tcwozerecharlie4.gif)
Title: More lighting!
Post by: David E on September 10, 2005, 01:32:06 PM
Bum, it logged me out! :oops:
Title: More lighting!
Post by: chopin-liszt on September 14, 2005, 09:08:00 AM
:D:D:D
Repeat piccies of my Jobling pink flowery lampshade, and an unknown transfer printed one I like a lot.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/a10.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/a9.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/a8.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/a6.jpg

 http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/a15.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/a14.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/a13.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b227/chopin-liszt/a12.jpg
Title: More lighting!
Post by: Anne on September 14, 2005, 05:11:45 PM
I just love your pink roses shade Sue... it's fabulous!   8)

Funnily enough I recently bought (and am awaiting delivery of) a pink bowl with similar roses feet and kept thinking why does it look familiar... it was the half-memory of your lampshade that was niggling away in my head but I couldn't recall where I'd seen it and who owned it.  :roll:
Title: Re: More lighting!
Post by: Anne on October 11, 2012, 02:56:10 PM
Sue, your transfer printed pics have disappeared again.  :'(
Title: Re: More lighting!
Post by: chopin-liszt on October 11, 2012, 03:57:26 PM
Promise I'll redo them - and my "NEW" deco pink flowery one too, possibly French, very soon. ;D

It does not yet seem to have been mentioned that my Rose one has been identified as Jobling, as is my brother's opalescent humming bird one, which he still won't give me. He deserves the"family" title of meanie-bathbun for this. :'(
Title: Re: More lighting!
Post by: chopin-liszt on October 14, 2012, 08:41:36 AM
Our bedroom shade:- the transfer printed one with the pointy bit.
Title: Re: More lighting!
Post by: Anne on October 16, 2012, 08:56:55 PM
Oooohhh that's lovely Sue!
Title: Re: More lighting!
Post by: keith on October 16, 2012, 11:14:26 PM
Just been reading these posts,not seen a nice shade for ages,got a pair of these,hand painted, about ten years ago,thought you might like to see them ;D ;D
Title: Re: More lighting!
Post by: Anne on October 17, 2012, 03:45:42 PM
Very nice, Keith! I wish I had a bigger house so I could have more light fittings and so more lampshades! :)
Title: Re: More lighting!
Post by: keith on October 17, 2012, 05:58:13 PM
Thanks Anne,wish I had a bigger house,I could get more glass everything ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: More lighting!
Post by: Anne on October 17, 2012, 09:50:26 PM
Well now you come to mention that Keith.... so would I! :)