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Title: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: petet63 on January 27, 2012, 06:46:26 PM
I have already listed these but would like to ask if anyone can name that pattern. I have searched as best I can but nothing matches. Again, this is purely so I know in the future if I see it again. Thanks
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: Paul S. on January 27, 2012, 08:17:36 PM
it looks like a sort of old fashioned egg and dart decoration joined by swags, but not sure, as your pictures are less than clear.     I've been through the Stuart section here....http://www.replacements.com/crystal/manu/C.htm.....but there are about 15 - 20 images missing, and just our luck could be one of yours, but feel free to look again.        Don't know that I'd call this decoration art deco, necessarily - almost a Georgian style.        Assume you are saying Stuart because your pieces have the backstamp??         Try other glass matching/replacement sources. :)
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: petet63 on January 27, 2012, 09:02:51 PM
Ive tried till my eyes bled and my fingers ached, must get a mouse for my laptop. The Stuart mark on the base is the one used c1926 from the info I have found and the shape I have seen in other Art Deco pieces from Stuart dated to 1921. I have taken some more pictures hope they help.
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: Paul S. on January 27, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
sorry, the pix aren't really any improvement - are you using a camera or phone?    If you are serious about posting pictures on the GMB for the purposes of identification, then the images need to be of good quality.       Without looking, I trust that your comments about the period of use for this mark are correct, but just because this backstamp started life at the beginning of the art deco period doesen't automatically make the decoration on the glass an art deco style  -  and certainly not in this instance.    Look at books showing art deco style and fashion and you will see the difference.       As you will have seen from searching the Stuart patterns in the link, this factory produced a myriad of styles taken from the last couple of centuries, and from memory I don't recall seeing any which I'd have said were out and out art deco - most appear to be a sort pastiche of classical abstract or floral type of decoration.      Am sure that you're aware that some Stuart pieces carry, additionally, the Rd. No., and this can help with identification  -  although assume yours doesn't.       This is all just part of a learning curve, and adds to your knowledge and enjoyment of glass.     Do look at art deco styles, which is not time wasted. :)
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: Paul S. on January 28, 2012, 09:46:02 AM
hello Pete            should have also added last night that a likely reason we cannot find your design is because of the age, and possibly short-lived use of your design.   There are only a few of the older designs shown in Miller's, and most of the examples shown on the replacement/matching web sites are items that have occured over only the past half century  -  not far enough back to include your one  -  possibly.       There seems to be a lack of generally available literature for the older material -although we do have one old catalogue in the vaults of the GMB covering patterns of larger items.........http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,37350.msg204478.html#msg204478   
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: petet63 on January 28, 2012, 11:35:03 AM
I cant use my camera, its 12.2mp and they wont resize to post. I will try for a direct link. Thanks for all the help so far, much appreciated. Pete
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: Paul S. on January 28, 2012, 11:48:18 AM
I'm an ignoramus re cameras, but wouldn't a programme like IrfanView re-size adequately for you??
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: ahremck on January 28, 2012, 02:20:01 PM
Try http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=938 where I put up a Stuart Catalog - it may contain your pattern.

Ross
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: petet63 on January 28, 2012, 03:16:02 PM
Will check out that link, thanks Ross. I tried resizing on both photo bucket and on my own programme. I'm not so good with cameras either but will sort something. I will check how to link to photo bucket and try that way. I'm not at home so will do it tonight. Are these champagne bowl or dessert ?  (They are fragile and I'm surprised they have lasted so long. I will have to pack them very carefully, so far I haven't lost any in post)
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: Paul S. on January 28, 2012, 03:28:59 PM
I would have thought dessert bowls, but stand to be corrected. :)
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: Carolyn Preston on January 28, 2012, 07:41:01 PM
I would have thought dessert bowls, but stand to be corrected. :)

Hi Pete, some dimensions would help us to determine possible uses. If you take a picture, against a white background with a dark liquid in one of the glasses, we would probably be able to appreciate the design more clearly. (Coffee -- room temp. or flat coke works well).

Here is a link to help with your picture dilemma (that spelling doesn't look right, but oh well):  http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html

Worse case scenario, take the large pictures and then email them to one of us and we will post them for you.

And, most importantly, welcome to the forum.

Carolyn
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: Paul S. on January 28, 2012, 09:24:45 PM
Hello Carolyn  -  having looked at a combination of Miller's pix and the images in the link from Ross  -  I'm inclined to think that those pieces with an everted rim are the grapefruits/desserts/sweets/sorbets  -  and any similar examples but without that sort of flared rim are probably the champagnes.       There does appear to be quite a difference in size between  some of these bowl type pieces.      I have looked through the pix in the link from Ross, but still don't think I've seen Pete's particular design.
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: ahremck on January 28, 2012, 10:19:12 PM
My best guesstimate of the age of the catalog is around 1964.  Whereas your design is likely to be 20s & 30s era or maybe a little earlier since the touck marks is for 1926 on.

Naming what it is - take your pick.  Sweet dish, Dessert comport, champagne, all seem possible - indeed allowable.

Ross
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: petet63 on January 29, 2012, 11:12:08 AM
I have found the same shape but always with a different pattern. That link from Ross Shows I have missed at least one nice piece of Crystal and will be using it again. I have tried the Irfan site and hope this works. I saw that the 'Champagnes' have a straight lip so I agree these would be desserts. I am setting up with Glass Gallery as well so I can upload my decent photos (after some practise). I will do as Carolyn suggests when I'm at home. Thanks again all. Pete

Still not the best mark picture, will try the flour and coffee  ;D I really need organise myself better !!
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: Paul S. on January 29, 2012, 01:37:23 PM
They do seem a big improvement, just a little tweaking on the focus now :).        There is a little wrinkle that has been given to us by Antiquerose  -  which involves placing a magnifying lens between the camera and subject to give a bigger picture image than just using the macro setting.        It needs a little practice, and not all lenses seem to work, but when you do manage to get it right the the result is quite amazing  -  especially useful for photographing smallish back stamps.
I would agree with the straight lipped edge being the champers glasses.           Stuart glass can, on occasions, be reasonably common at flea markets and boot sales, and surprisingly quite a few of the older pieces still turn up showing a wide range of designs, with the Stratford and Woodchester patterns heading the list, perhaps.
Title: Re: Art Deco Stuart Crystal
Post by: petet63 on January 29, 2012, 01:47:35 PM
I now have a couple of deisgns in my head just from this subject. I love the learning. The magnifying glass sounds good. I have the one that can hold objects in front of it. Will have a play later.