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Title: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: TxSilver on February 26, 2009, 04:25:55 PM
I bought a fish ashtray a couple of months ago. Glass like this is often attributed to Cenedese or Barbini. This ashtray is great in having a label that appears to be original. The ashtray was made by Seguso Dalla Venezia in the 1950-60s. I just wanted to pass on the pictures for other people to see since these pieces often come up on eBay or in stores. The pieces I've seen are distinct in having filigrana tails and the single-bubble pattern around the seaweed.
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: soledivo on February 26, 2009, 05:30:38 PM
thanks Anita,
without your information I would not even think of Murano looking at this piece.

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Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: shandiane78 on February 27, 2009, 09:11:14 PM
That's great! I have one of these too, and had always wondered about it because the Cenedese/Barbini attribution didn't seem quite right.  Here's mine:
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: TxSilver on February 28, 2009, 12:40:15 AM
I bet yours is Seguso Dalla, too. I found a bowl that was similar to ours, but have curling seaweed, instead of straight. The bowl didn't have a label, but was attributed to Cenedese. I guess I should add that the Dalla bowls have straight seaweed.
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: shandiane78 on February 28, 2009, 06:07:31 PM
What do you think about this? Cigarette holder? Or lighter base?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/shandiane78/DSC00543.jpg)
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: TxSilver on February 28, 2009, 07:22:40 PM
I would say it is a lighter base. You can pick up an old glass or ceramic table lighter on eBay for a few dollars. The inserts are transferable among lighters that are the same size. I've done that a few times. Now let's see... filigrana fins check, single bubbles check, straight seaweed. Must be Seguso Dalla!  8)

Okay, I'm getting silly now. Must be the economy.
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: Jurgen on April 02, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
Hi Anita.......I want to truely thank you for posting your fish ashtray with that wonderful label! It just so happens that I have two of those ashtrays, one with a lighter and one with a mortar & pestle. Also, I think, you may have solved another problem for me! In the early 80's I got hold of a dozen salts at an estate sale. Four or five of them had labels. I used always tell myself that if these labels were in red, they would be Seguso! My labels are in the same color as your label and foil on paper. Could you please check and see if your label is foil on papr too...............Many,many thanks........Jerry 
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: TxSilver on April 02, 2009, 06:59:26 PM
Hi, Jerry. The label on my fish ashtray does appear to be paper on foil. Your labels do look like Archimede Seguso labels that have been washed out. I wonder if it is what might have happened. I think you're right in your Seguso identification. (I had a Fratelli Toso label one time that was silver after the blue was washed off.)
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: Jurgen on April 02, 2009, 09:18:27 PM
Hi Anita.....Looks like your label is dark yellow with silver lettering and mine is dark yellow with gold lettering! Oh, well! Thanks for all your help!........................Jerry
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: TxSilver on April 02, 2009, 10:52:49 PM
It is hard to know the history of our glass. I have a feeling your label is Archimede Seguso. Perhaps they were owned by someone who really liked clean, sanitized glass. A little chemical bleaching or mechanical rubbing and red could have gone to gold. Or maybe A Seguso had a special run of its labels that were a different color. The lettering, dots, and border of the label says Seguso to me.
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 03, 2009, 06:43:54 AM
The difference is probably just sun fading; gold labels tend toward silver in the sun
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: Jurgen on April 03, 2009, 12:56:23 PM
Hi all.........I checked my Mark Heiremans book Murano Gglass/Themes and Variations page 201 and his looks like a twin. Too bad his is a black and white photo! Both labels have the same amount of bumps or scallops around the outer edge. I only have one or two in red. For some reason, I remember seeing a red label larger and less bumps?!......................Jerry
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: TxSilver on April 03, 2009, 01:51:10 PM
I have a feeling that it is mechanical removal of the red for your bowls. I spoke about my silver Fratelli Toso label earlier. I gathered that the Fratelli Toso label was made with a silver label embossed so that the words are silver, then blue ink is applied to give the standard blue and silver label. If someone washes the blue off, the label looks like a silver label with raised silver letters. Maybe the Archimede Seguso has an embossed gold label, so if the red is removed, you are left with gold letters on gold.
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 03, 2009, 02:11:10 PM
Jerry, I don't think your pestle and mortar is a pestle and mortar. I think is a lighter base with a stubber (for stubbing out cigarettes); these seem quite common in Murano glass
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: Jurgen on April 04, 2009, 01:04:54 PM
I never thought of that!! Many, many thanks!.......And I do have some extra lighters.............Jerry
Title: Re: Seguso Dalla Fish Ashtray
Post by: tam bam on March 28, 2011, 02:32:28 PM
I have the exact same salts.  The labels are suppose to be red.

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