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Title: three market finds
Post by: Ivo on October 29, 2005, 10:46:14 AM
http://tinypic.com/f2r885.jpg

Three vases from the local market this morning.

Number 1: blue powder and bubbles inclusions, rough! pontil mark. The lady I bought it from thought it was from Scandinavia but she forgot which country.

Number 2: etched decor of giraffes on an oval shaped vase; at the rear (not on the bottom) engraved "A.J. 628    Hdl-54" Is this a Hadeland Jutrem piece?

Number 3: well made, well finished steel blue vase, surprisingly heavy. The colour could be Stömbergshyttan or Holmegaard - but is possibly Czech?

Thanks for any help you can give me.
Title: three market finds
Post by: paradisetrader on October 29, 2005, 11:19:02 AM
#2 Arne Jon Jutrem at
Hadeland 1950-62 and 1985-present

The footed items seem earlier than most Scandi I'm used to seeing.
I would guess 30s 40s.
#1 Several companies did the spidery bubbly thing but I can't find anything in that bright blue let alone the foot.
#3 This does not strike me as Czech despite the weight and I don't think steel blue is a Czech color. I'm thinking early Stromberg. Not all Stromberg was signed.
Title: three market finds
Post by: Max on October 29, 2005, 07:13:59 PM
The two on the right do have a certain naivety about them, don't they?

I suppose you didn't get the one you were after?   :?  :(
Title: three market finds
Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2005, 08:35:36 PM
Thanks Max, I think all three are rather naive.
 It was one of those markets. I came home with these three, with a Tamara Aladin vase in olive green, a small Mats Jonasson, a Meydam stacking bottle, a Copier spill vase, an early open salt, a Gullaskruf clear cased blue vase but best of all a Leerdam De Bazel decanter, service J from 1917 and a Jogya silver dish.  So by the time I got back. burdened and laden, I figured it was not worth driving 15 miles on the off chance of getting the Poli somerso.

@ Peter: Thanks , have you ever seen Jutrem glass before? I went through all the books but nothing.
Title: three market finds
Post by: paradisetrader on October 30, 2005, 03:48:01 AM
not in vitro........ but theres some here ........and yours doesn't seem to be his normal style .........
http://www.utopiaretromodern.com/vetro3.htm
5th pic down here + bio ?
http://ldmuziejus.mch.mii.lt/Naujausiosparodos/norvegu_stiklas.htm
a book about him here
http://www.haugenbok.no/resverk.cfm?st=hurtig&tittel=arne%20jon%20jutrem&p=1&r=1&cid=107504
3 pieces here
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/catalogs/759-500.html?fc=&query=jutrem
+ the signature would seem to be normally AJJ
............hmmmmm
......this is bugging me now
and I find that in 1954 he was awarded a gold medal at the Milan Triennale for his "Grønland" series ....which is much more similar in style (if not color) to your first piece !!! ................  :roll: ....but no feet to be seen seen ....yet
AND only one number in the signatures of these pieces
AND All spell out HADELAND ...none shortened
AND Initials even on early pieces = AJJ
so ...................hmmmmm
Title: three market finds
Post by: Ivo on October 30, 2005, 08:07:22 AM
My misgivings almost exactly. I have 2 items from the Grönland series, one unsigned, the other signed Hadeland in full and AJJ. But I've now asked Antikprat - should it happen to be somthing Swedish after all, they'll be sure to tell me.
 8)
Title: three market finds
Post by: Ivo on October 30, 2005, 05:39:33 PM
Antikprat has confirmed it is Hadeland, by Arne Jutrem.

Went back to the same market (2 day event) today, with equally stunning results as yesterday. Summing up, I found
Strömbergshyttan/ Gunnel Nyman
Johansfors/ Bengt Orup
Sea Glasbruk/ Rune Strand
Gullaskruf/ Hugo Gehlin
Orrefors/ Olle Alberius
Holmegaard/ unknown
Hadeland/ Arne Jutrem
Riihimäki/ Tamara Aladin
Leerdam/ Andries Copier, Floris Meijdam & KPC de Bazel

Notable absences: No Czech of any quality, No Whitefriar's @ all, no Tango, No quality Murano, and nothing French. Go figure  :D
Title: three market finds
Post by: Ivo on October 31, 2005, 08:48:53 AM
Gullafant by Gehlin
http://tinypic.com/f4l2rd.jpg

Orrefors Alberius Cook (from a series of 12 professions, 1980s)
http://tinypic.com/f4l2tu.jpg

Sea Glasbruk threaded vase by Rune Strand
& Johansfors vase by Bengt Orup
http://tinypic.com/f4l2yw.jpg

Gullaskruf vases by Gunnar Nylund (there was some doubt about the correct attribution but it has now been confirmed on Antikprat.
http://tinypic.com/f4l34k.jpg

Mats Jonasson, Riihimäki, Holmegaard, Riihimäki/ Aladin?, Nachtman pig
http://tinypic.com/f4l382.jpg

Leerdam/ De Bazel decanter, 1917
http://tinypic.com/f4l3dt.jpg

Not sure why all of this suddenly appears on one and the same market; maybe because I have not grazed these pastures for a long time? As for Dutch aesthetic, hmmmmmmm <looks pensive>
Title: three market finds
Post by: paradisetrader on October 31, 2005, 03:47:57 PM
Thanks for showing us.

Gehlin ....at Gullaskruv ? Gullaskruf ? (presumably the same ?)

Sea Glasbruk threaded
I could have sworn we has seen something very similar recently but I thought then and it looks now ...engraved rather than threaded ????  :?

Riihimäki/ Aladin
It's certainly a piece I have seen many time attributed to Riihimäki/ Aladin but wether that is actually correct or not I don't know. Max ?
Yes the Riihimäki on the left I have not seen before. Have I got these the right way round ?

Leerdam/ De Bazel decanter, 1917
Very simple. ....dare I say very Dutch.
Is it signed ? in a book ?
Title: three market finds
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2005, 04:32:04 PM
Quote from: "paradisetrader"

Gehlin ....at Gullaskruv ? Gullaskruf ? (presumably the same ?)


yes, with an F. Gehlin was art director there throughout the 30s and 40s - I'd love someone to confirm this attribution.

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Sea Glasbruk threaded
I could have sworn we has seen something very similar recently but I thought then and it looks now ...engraved rather than threaded ????  :?


You are referring to the brown bottle with the glass spun around it - yes I saw that. I immediately thought "I've seen that one - it's Skrdlovice"- but could not find it in my documentation.  This one has a spun thread - p.56 smoke & ice.

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Riihimäki/ Aladin
It's certainly a piece I have seen many time attributed to Riihimäki/ Aladin but wether that is actually correct or not I don't know. Max ?
Yes the Riihimäki on the left I have not seen before. Have I got these the right way round ?


I haven't seen the one on the left either - it just happened to sneak into the group as I was taking a picture :wink: . I was doubting the Aladin attribution, there are just too many lookalikes about. Max - didn't you have a similar one?

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Leerdam/ De Bazel decanter, 1917
Very simple. ....dare I say very Dutch.
Is it signed ? in a book ?


yes, it has the correct export etch mark, it is also a famous piece in terms of Leerdam because it is so early and because KPC de Bazel was one of the leading architects. I also have matching glasses - to make a set & am optimistic about the sales potential < :lol:  :lol:  :lol: >
Title: three market finds
Post by: Raoul Karlsson on January 06, 2006, 06:41:53 PM
Quote from: "Ivo"
Gullafant by Gehlin
http://tinypic.com/f4l2rd.jpg


NO, this is not Hugo Gehlin or Gullaskrufs glassworks.

Gullaskruf vases by Gunnar Nylund (there was some doubt about the correct attribution but it has now been confirmed on Antikprat.
http://tinypic.com/f4l34k.jpg

No, this is not Gullaskruf, and Gunnar Nylund has never worked at Gullaskruf.

 I´m a collector. I have a goal to collect as much as I can from the production of Gullaskruf glasswork, of course impossible, but it´s a goal.

I moved to Gullaskruv in 1998, and have collected for about 6 years. No long time I hear You say - No it´s not, but… I have 15 display cases full with only Gullaskruf, and as I´m not familier with the entire production I visit my neighbour on a daily bases, with pictures from auctions (Ebay, Tradera etc.) and message boards (like this) to get the answers. My neighbour started to work at Gullaskruf glasswork in 1941, and if she is not certain, she or I will ask the daughter to the founder (in 1927) of Gullaskrufs glasswork William Stenberg. Thera are severel items/objects that does not exist in catalouges, You see. And also a lot of commisioned work (Sweidsh Tin (Svenskt Tenn), Danish Design (Dansk Design) restaurants and so on).
Very often people think they have G-f, but they don´t. And very often people don´t know they have G-f..

I´m no expert on Gullaskruf - but my neighbours are really walking reference books.
Title: Re: three market finds
Post by: Anne on February 22, 2008, 09:58:48 PM
Hi Ivo, Tinypic's eaten most of the pics in this topic. Do you still have copies please? If so can you add them back to a new post for reference - I'll shift them into the original post in place of the Tinypic links if you can - thanks. :)
Title: Re: three market finds
Post by: Ivo on February 22, 2008, 10:04:47 PM
sorry not possible to reconstruct these right now.
Title: Re: three market finds
Post by: alexander on February 23, 2008, 09:28:44 AM
I had not seen this topic before - the AJ 628 vase ascribed to Arne Jon Jutrem in this thread doesn't really
conform to Hadeland or AJJ practises.
A piece by Arne Jon Jutrem would usually be signed Hadeland AJJ 54.
Hadeland did not usually shorten their name in signatures to Hdl.
The number 628 could be confused for a Hadeland art glass artists number, it is not as these were four digits,
the first digit specifies the artist and the following the design.

AJJ 's art glass artist number series was 4000.

I think this piece is Swedish but can't remember who at the moment.
Title: Re: three market finds
Post by: Ivo on February 23, 2008, 10:34:04 AM
Of course I cannot find the attribution from Antikprat because it is three years ago - but it was quite specific, naming the series (zoo animals) et all. They were also most dismissive about the quality of the decoration, and regretted that Hadeland fell for the commercial fast buck.  So until further notice, I will have to assume it IS Hdl.
Title: Re: three market finds
Post by: alexander on February 27, 2008, 09:30:06 AM
It would appear I was somewhat wrong  :-[
I've found a similar piece signed KS 628 Hdl 54 - KS is Knut Steen.
The 628 belongs to him and not AJJ, I will try to find out if the 3 digit number is a engraved glass number,
as art glass is supposed to use 4 digits. Engraved glass would fall outside that category as it has a much longer history
than the artglass line.
Title: Re: three market finds
Post by: Ivo on February 27, 2008, 11:39:15 AM
Could it be that as in many Swedish pieces the decor and model are not from the same designer? So that the model is from AJ - and that the (sandblasted or acid resist) decoration is by someone else?
Title: Re: three market finds
Post by: alexander on February 27, 2008, 12:01:06 PM
Yes, most of the engraved/sandblasted Hadeland pieces were blown by one and engraved by another.
Sometimes you get several signatures sometimes you dont - and only when it's devoid of a signature can you
know for sure why (2nd).

H were very proud of their engraving department and engravers/pattern designers often signed their work.
Lars Fletre, Herman Bongaard and Sverre Pettersen were prominent designers who used engraving or sandblasting
in their designs.

I have an engraved piece signed "Hadeland S.B. G.S. Å.K." SB is Severin Brørby (glassblower), GS is Gerd Slang (designed the engraving) and ÅK was the engraver (I've forgotten his name unfortunately).

Title: Hello.
Post by: amarine1 on June 27, 2012, 11:55:51 PM
Yes, most of the engraved/sandblasted Hadeland pieces were blown by one and engraved by another.
Sometimes you get several signatures sometimes you dont - and only when it's devoid of a signature can you
know for sure why (2nd).

H were very proud of their engraving department and engravers/pattern designers often signed their work.
Lars Fletre, Herman Bongaard and Sverre Pettersen were prominent designers who used engraving or sandblasting
in their designs.

I have an engraved piece signed "Hadeland S.B. G.S. Å.K." SB is Severin Brørby (glassblower), GS is Gerd Slang (designed the engraving) and ÅK was the engraver (I've forgotten his name unfortunately).

Alexander. I am stunned to hear of you speaking about my Grandfather (Lars Fletre) and his time designing at Hadeland. I am just hopeful you are still lurking on this forum once in a while so there might be a response to this post.

I have an extensive collection of Hadeland Glassware in my glassware case (which I inherited from my mother when she passed). I recently reached out to Hadeland directly with pictures of the extensive glassware (trying to find out which pieces he designed and what the insurance estimate may be on the collection in order to properly insure it), and the person who responded indicated they would look at the pictures and would respond with any detail necessary for me to document Lars' contribution to Hadeland during the war (maybe examples of what he actually designed) and an insurance estimate on what I have. Since the first 2 email correspondence, I've received no replies to my email queries. I am hopeful that you may be able to help fill the gap for me regarding communication with them or at least some background as to what you know of that history / relationship). Or maybe put me in contact with someone who may be able to help me.

Please message me if possible or reply in this thread.

I am using an anonymous member ID for this site (tied to my time spent in the United States Marine Corps), but I will tell you which grandson I am if you directly contact me. I can also include in another post, pictures of the collection and of the woodcut Lars did while at Hadeland (a very large woodcut that showed a factory floor with extensive detail regarding workers blowing glass).

Best regards.
Title: Re: three market finds
Post by: johnphilip on June 28, 2012, 07:18:55 AM
Quite amazing,,,, its a small world when you are with the GMB ... Welcome amarine. 8)
Title: Re: three market finds
Post by: Anne on June 28, 2012, 03:21:44 PM
Pictures of the collection may be found in the new topic here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,48200.0.html
Title: Re: three market finds
Post by: amarine1 on July 08, 2012, 04:32:44 AM
Alexander? Any word or response to my inquiry?
Title: Re: three market finds
Post by: rosieposie on July 08, 2012, 11:45:24 AM
Amarine1,  is it worth you PM ing Alexander to ask if he will look at this thread again....it might be weeks or even months before he looks in again. 
He has his envelope shown, so I am sure he won't mind.
I collect Hadeland glass and am following this thread with interest...I wish you Good luck.
Title: Re: three market finds
Post by: amarine1 on July 08, 2012, 05:12:40 PM
Rosie, actually... I did pm Alexander (the first day I popped up on the forum). Alas, I shall just have to be patient. :)