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Title: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish - ID = Stevens & Williams
Post by: BRADBURY7308 on September 08, 2011, 10:45:38 PM
This little 43/4" dia bubble dish has intrigued me since it arrived for some reason im no nearer finding a maker than when it arrived! Upto now ive seen similar monart frothy blue colours but cant be as shape is all wrong! Whitefriars bowls are more clean and concise with rows of bubbles! This piece seems to be blue base glass cased in clear profuse bubbling and overall frothyness this seems to be slightly whitish maybe just very tiny bubbles making it look white though. Appears to be well made and has good age related wear and a large polished pontil scar which im unable to photograph properly untill morning if needed.
I just cant stop picking it up and wondering at the bubbles inside daft isnt it but i love it would love to know more i know there have been an array of british bubbled glass makers so may be difficult but just thought it warrant the gmb board as so attractive..Thanks for looking.
Just too add it is a pullled rim ...
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: Frank on September 09, 2011, 01:02:46 AM
Yup, scrub Scotland completely.


Hey, where is the Scotsman smiley  :ho: :scot:
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: BRADBURY7308 on September 09, 2011, 06:54:24 AM
Thanks Frank  :bat: cheers..
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: glassobsessed on September 09, 2011, 07:50:52 AM
It looks lovely, especially the variety of bubble sizes. I don't think it is IoW or Mdina, though at Mdina they did make a similar shaped bowl (but larger) in relatively small quantities.

We need to start looking elswhere...

Definitely no markings on the base?

John
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: BRADBURY7308 on September 09, 2011, 08:18:59 AM
No marks john sadly, It really is stacked full of bubbles all over it excellent the way its been done at the edge where its cased its very white in colour i also thought about murano????
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: glassobsessed on September 09, 2011, 12:15:55 PM
I would keep a look out for the possibility of a German maker too.

BTW, I don't think it is likely to be an Erik Hoglund design, all the examples from Boda with bubbles I have seen are cased in the same colour glass that the bubbles reside in. It might of course be another designer but I would have expected it to have been signed. You can get the general idea by looking at the base of this vase, the casing appears as a dark blue (not clear) layer on the bottom: https://picasaweb.google.com/Johnmj100/ErikHoglund#5511635498477394450

John

Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: nigel benson on September 09, 2011, 01:44:48 PM

A known shape from a Stourbridge company and seen on these boards with different colouring.

Nigel
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: paulbowen on September 09, 2011, 03:13:31 PM
Can you post a photo of the base that shows the bottom from directly above?

Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: BRADBURY7308 on September 09, 2011, 06:21:40 PM
Real difficult to get any definition in the picture with this item but it does have lots of wear!!!
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: flying free on September 09, 2011, 06:31:47 PM
has it got  a large polished pontil mark?  or is the base polished completely flat?  sorry it is very difficult to tell from your pictures.
Edited to add there is this one Stevens and Williams Rainbow that looks very similar and seems to be quite small.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,18501.msg107152.html#msg107152
m
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: flying free on September 09, 2011, 06:40:51 PM
close up does the effect look like this vase of mine - bottom pic is best?
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,41369.msg228957.html#msg228957
m
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: Max on September 09, 2011, 07:34:49 PM
I don't think it's at all similar to either of those Flying Free?  :huh:

Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: BRADBURY7308 on September 09, 2011, 08:09:25 PM
Hi Flying free the base does have a large polished pontil scar!!similar to the s+w vase!!
Must say i do agree with you the s+w is similar shape???
I think you might have something here thanks!! :thud:
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: flying free on September 09, 2011, 11:36:13 PM
Max I agree the bubbles effect doesn't look similar but was trying to give some options to explore and when Bradbury mentioned white in it, it was reminiscent of my vase.  I do think the flattened rim of the bowl looks remarkably similar to David's S & W rainbow bowl although again it is hard to tell the shape because there is only one picture, at a tilted angle showing the rim width and inner bowl, on David's thread.  I do think the blue bowl looks a little 'clunky' and possibly doesn't looks as 'refined' as the Rainbow bowl, but that could just be the angle the Rainbow bowl was taken.  My vase is gorgeous but it weighs a ton and I would describe it as 'clunky' but well made, rather than refined  :-\   I'm probably wrong...I'm always wrong on these  ;D
m
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: Max on September 10, 2011, 01:52:47 PM
I can see what you mean, but bear in mind that many companies use the same finish of pontil mark, many companies use frothy looking glass and many companies use that shape.   :thup: :kissy:

Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: flying free on September 10, 2011, 04:51:22 PM
yes I know, this glass lark is far too confusing when things aren't signed  ;D
But  I was just going by what Nigel said above
'A known shape from a Stourbridge company and seen on these boards with different colouring.' and assuming that was a hint rather than just a passing comment  :-\
m
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: Max on September 10, 2011, 05:20:23 PM
Quote
'A known shape from a Stourbridge company and seen on these boards with different colouring.' and assuming that was a hint rather than just a passing comment 


I totally agree with you that it takes a lot of expertise to positively identify glass which is in a familiar shape and style without a signature.  So, Nigel, if you know something we don't, can you divulge please??   :kissy:

 
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: BRADBURY7308 on September 10, 2011, 07:39:57 PM
Thanks very much for everyone input i think its gonna be one for the unknown shelf ? Maybe nigel will be able too say more when he's around again  :thup:
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: flying free on September 10, 2011, 07:46:49 PM
nooooo, you can't give up :huh:  this one has got to have a higher chance of id if someone has said it is a known shape and given the area the glassworks is from.
I've been through Charles Hajdamach's 20th century British Glass and the Dudley museum resource and this site looking for S&W and can't see it, and I'm assuming that  it looks art deco'ish possibly.  But there are other resources.
I'm also wondering if it could come under Royal Brierley in searches if it was  30's piece?
And of course S & W could be completely wrong, so there is also Webb Corbett, and Walsh Walsh as well as Arculus and also Stuart and others I have failed to mention :)  There is a Stuart bowl in the book page 119 that is enamelled so completely different decor, but looks similar in shape and is 4 1/2" wide and has a cupped over rim that could look 'flattened'; if viewed from the top.
oh don't give up  ;D
I'm off to investigate Stuart further having seen that bowl.
m
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: glassobsessed on September 10, 2011, 07:57:51 PM
Presumably if Nigel had wanted to say more he would have. There are some clues, search the board, you nearly always end up bumping into something interesting even if it is not immediately what you are after....

John
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: flying free on September 10, 2011, 08:04:47 PM
True  :sun: I love having a reason to search the board for something as I often see pieces I've never seen or noticed in my own searches.
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: BRADBURY7308 on September 10, 2011, 08:25:48 PM
What can i say flying free your a star ive also been through the 20th century glass book but hadnt considered stuart im not giving up just yet just wish there were less english bubble glass manufacturers lol cheers :wsh:
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: flying free on September 10, 2011, 08:35:02 PM
Please ignore my reference the Stuart bowl  :-[, my mind is playing tricks (children's party today and 15 boys to entertain playing skittles and lunch) and it's nothing like the shape of your bowl.
m
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: Max on September 10, 2011, 10:23:39 PM
If you're going to be searching, I think you'd be better off searching for that blue, frothy glass rather than the shape or the circular ground pontil mark.   :sun:

Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: Cathy B on September 11, 2011, 09:02:40 PM
It's more following on from a fairly major hint a little further up in the thread, Max.
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: nigel benson on September 11, 2011, 10:32:22 PM
Thank you all for doing the work. I have been searching for the little May Green bowl, that I was thinking of, in return ............but to no avail :huh:

However, good for young 'm' - otherwise known as flying free - for those deductive little grey cells  :hiclp: :hiclp: S&W/RB it jolly well is IMHO  ;) :)

Nigel
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: flying free on September 11, 2011, 10:38:54 PM
 :o  ;D
m
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: BRADBURY7308 on September 11, 2011, 10:55:45 PM
Hahaha  :smg: thankyou
Title: Re: Interesting white/blue frothy bubble dish Monart??Murano??Whitefriars??IOW?
Post by: Max on September 12, 2011, 11:46:29 AM
Never seen a S&W bowl like that before Nigel...thanks for your input!   :hiclp: :hiclp: :hiclp: