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Title: Paul Kedelv
Post by: carolglass on July 14, 2007, 10:43:04 AM
Can any member link me to pictures of  authentic signatures of Paul Kedelv on the  Flygsfors Coquille series. Many thanks.
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Della on July 14, 2007, 11:33:07 AM

Hi Carolglass,
I don't have a Kedelv signature, but I do have signatures from genuine Coquille pieces.

Flygsfors 57: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-7875
Coquille:       http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-7874

Found on a really heavy bowl.
I also have a signed vase, but again, no Kedelv signature on that either.
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: carolglass on July 14, 2007, 11:43:48 PM
Many thanks Della for the information, your signatures qualify part of my query but the Kedelv part still has me wary on the particular piece I am interested in. You have a stunning collection, puts my glass into perspective I can tell you! Many thanks again regards Carol
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Della on July 15, 2007, 02:15:32 PM

Hi again, Carolglass,
Here is a Kedelv signature for you to see: http://www.modernistglass.com/glasspieces/view/1981 Just scroll sown a little.

Thank you for your compliments too  ;D The photos are only a small amount of my collection, but the total amount of the shapes that I have, up to now. I have different sizes and colours of most of the vases pictured. I think that the name for it is "addiction."  :P
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 15, 2007, 02:49:01 PM
Except I wouldn't be terribly convinced that Flygsfors and Kedelv were engraved by the same person
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Della on July 15, 2007, 02:57:42 PM

Hi Christine,  ;D

I would have thought the same too, had I not got a vase where the Coquille and the Flygsfors 57 seemed to have been engraved by different hands. I can't say that the one I linked too is definitely signed by Kedelv, but between 1949-56 pieces were signed Kedelv and Flygsfors + date. As this one is signed 55 and the Flygfors is definitely right, I would assume that Kedelv is right too.
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Martyn K on July 15, 2007, 04:30:50 PM
Hi Della, Cristine,

I'm interested by this...I have'nt had many Flygsfors pieces so am not qualified to comment really but keen to learn.....the marks on the linked site looks very clumsy - very different from yours Della - is thier piece a known Kedelv design?

The Flygsfors marks I have seen are flowing and not stuttering and stiff like that one. Does the area around the 'Kedelv' look cleaner and with a different grinding direction to the rest of the base shown??

If I saw that I'm sure I would be suspicious, would I be wrong?  ???
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Della on July 15, 2007, 04:50:15 PM
Hi Martyn,
Yes, this is definitely a known Flygsfor design. I mentioned that I had a vase where the signatures are not made by the same hand either, or maybe by someone who was having a bad day, but they are definitely right. Here are the signatures on my vase, and you can see what I mean.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-7886
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-7885

The ones that I showed in the post above (not the one signed Kedelv) are on the underside of a bowl, which is mine btw.  ;)
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: carolglass on July 15, 2007, 09:48:16 PM
Such a wealth of information on this board from some very generous member sharing their knowledge. This has raised some pertinant questions-when did flygsfors change from script to capitals or viceversa in their I.D.'s The object of my desire has capitals for flygsfors 55 and kedelv. Thanks again regards Carol
re the post for modernist glass I know Peter and Viv also Glen very well and their items are usually true to type.
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Della on July 15, 2007, 09:55:15 PM

I can't answer that, sorry, but I can say that I haven't seen Flygsfors written in capital letters. I have seen it written in lower case (non-script) letters. That doesn't mean that capitals weren't used however, but I am not qualified or knowledgeable enough to give you an answer. I wish that I could be of more help.
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Martyn K on July 16, 2007, 11:19:42 AM
Hi,

The Caps thing was what I had'nt seen before, the 'FLYGSFORS' on the Modernist glass piece is in caps not script...I'm not questioning the sellers or piece in any way... it was just the way the writing seems to get better as it goes on, the 'KEDELV' looks a bit of a mess as does the 'FLY' then it gets more confident towards the end.

It's just not what I would have expected and so would have thought twice about....maybe the engraver had hit thier thumb with a hammer the day before..   :-\ :)
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Della on July 16, 2007, 11:40:13 AM

It would definitely help matters if a picture of the item were available. I suppose when it comes to engraved signatures, it depends who was signing the pieces at the time.  :-\
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: alexander on July 16, 2007, 12:41:03 PM
Is it this one by any chance?

Tradera Kedelv (http://www.tradera.com/_FLYGFORS_KEDELV_JATTESTOR_ANNORLUNDA_VAS_PERFEKT_-auktion-45490627)
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Della on July 16, 2007, 12:53:36 PM

Ooh nice, Alexander  ;D
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: carolglass on July 16, 2007, 09:51:57 PM
Hi people, the object of my desire is on auction at the moment and I would like to have a little  more independant information before I bid so I will not be posting a link. I have two pieces of flygsfors with lower case,label etc etc, it was the fact of capitals that threw me. Would like some confirmation if at all possible, that capitals were used. Otherwise I will go with my instinct and flag it. Thanks for the interesting comments. regards Carol
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Della on July 16, 2007, 10:03:27 PM

Well, the piece that Alexander linked too is also all in capital letters and it is definitely a Flygsfors piece. Look on ebay at finished auctions and/or current auctions, the Flygsfors style is unmistakable. Good luck!!! Please let us know if you win the piece.  ;D
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: carolglass on July 17, 2007, 02:01:30 AM
 :) Many thanks to alexander for the link, I had not enough time to view it this morning-in capitals no less-I am still a tad wary though. regards Carol
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: alexander on July 17, 2007, 12:44:52 PM
When I first saw the Kedelv vase on Tradera I had no trouble accepting that it was a Flygsfors piece
and designed by PK, but I was somewhat sceptical of the signature.

This could be because the PK pieces usually show up signed neatly Flygfors -YY and Coquille
with normal case lettering. Since there are several examples of the all capital letter signatures
I'm less sceptical now but not 100% conviced either.

The Tradera piece does have a sticker and it's most likely a Flygsfors PK design.

Does anyone know what F's policy on signing seconds was? No sig or some kind of second designation?

The Coquille series designs were based on sea-life, hence the name Coquille, which I
belive is french for "cockle", a form of mollusk.
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Bill G on August 14, 2007, 06:53:35 PM
Greetings.

The problem with the various signatures goes to the Swedish glass houses tradition of having an indivdual worker sign each piece. It will be a cold day in hell when the artist/designers signed their work. Happened in the late 1980's at Orrefors on their limited edition series. Ended quite quickly when the artist/designers protested in mass.

I would be suprised if Paul K signed his work.

Bill Geary
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: alexander on August 14, 2007, 08:29:35 PM
I didn't know that - good to know.

Btw - as for pieces done at Hadeland, the artist would usually sign his/her own work, while the same designs
blown by anyone else would be signed with the artists "artglass number" and Hadeland.
Some pieces are signed by designer, glassblower and or engraver together, usually only espcially fine pieces.

Pieces designed, but not made by Benny Motzfeldt at Randsfjord will not be signed, if made by her they will be signed B.M YYYY or B.M. YY ( very rarely full name ). At Plus her designs were etch marked Plus BM, if made by her signed B.M etc.
Title: Re: Paul Kedelv
Post by: Bill G on August 15, 2007, 06:11:51 PM
Hi

Alexander, thanks for the specific information on Hadeland Glass and Benny M.

Bill Geary