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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: potty-de-verre on March 31, 2007, 08:08:03 PM
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Hi,
I read this on the SKLO UNION site http://sklounion.com/SkloUnion/morepics01.html (http://sklounion.com/SkloUnion/morepics01.html). The writing next to the piece (last bit No20) says.....
Not a centre-piece but a stand-alone sculptural piece
However I came across this on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=0&item=280099904569&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=0&item=280099904569&rd=1)
Is it the same thing complete and the figure isn't a stand alone sculpture? Interested in comments.
Regards all
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http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4544
It does seem production diversified, Marcus will fill us in with details I assume.
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Hi,
As I understand it from Czech sources, this figure was initially designed as a stand-alone, and was only later considered as a centre-piece. However, it is arguably a re-design of a possibly 1930s item, which was much more angular, and stood on an irregular pentagonal base. Of the two versions, I would now place some credence on the 1930s item being a stand alone, based on the shape of the base. (I am re-checking my information at the moment.) As yet I have not been able to identify the older item's designer. I think that item was recently discussed here, so will try to find the thread. Bryn (Lyndhurst44)'s image here: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4519
The late 1950s Forejtova set are pattern numbers 13169-13171.
Regards,
Marcus
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There is a link to the discussion under the picture that Marcus linked too.
While I do not think this is the case it is just possible that the figure as a centrepiece is a marriage. Certainly from the pictures the frog and figure seem to be separate pieces (have asked seller if they separate).
I am mildly interested in getting the eBay one, but if you want to go for it, I will not compete.
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Hi Marcus, Frank,
The picture of the older piece is very nice and does look like the inspiration for this. I just thought I'd add that one of the reasons for asking the question was that I saw another complete one of these in the same colour at an auction. I didn't bother ti bid on it as it was in a job lot and the bowl was chipped.
It would seem unlikely that two had been married up with bowls so perhaps they were a production item.
Regards
Valerie
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Hi Valerie,
The eBay item you highlighted was very definitely a production item. Apart from the last three hours or so, (power-cut) I have been trading e-mails regarding these. Talking to one or two specialists, including the seller of this item, and working from the available material, (CGR) the matte version of this figure, may have been available, without matte frog and bowl. Having seen several different complete set images this morning, all were clear, not matte finishes.
There is a possibility that the matte item on a pentagonal base is by the same designer, (ie it may not be 1930s, Forejtova would have been in her teens). That may indicate a re-modelling of the figure, to the much less angular form in this set. If that is so, that may also indicate why this figure came to be viewed as a stand-alone. Unfortunately Forejtova died several years ago, so I am not able to ask, and much of the paper-work was destroyed after 1991.
Regards,
Marcus
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Hi,
I have several of these sets in my collection. Also have found that the base of the figure is in two sizes. Would like to post picture. Would someone tell me how to go about this in simple terms. Jan
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Here you go Jan... how to post pictures... (it's a sticky at the top of the Glass forum in case you need it again)... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html and we have image hosting for the board on GlassGallery: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/ - again with a help and how to page here: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/glassgallery_help.html but if you get stuck and need help just shout and one of us will come and rescue you. :)
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Just spotted in glass gallery... Not sure who posted this but it sort of belongs in this thread too:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6208
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Probably glasscollector.
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Hi, just thought I'd chuck mine in the pot as well ! I've had this figure for some years now and it's in mauve matt glass, the base is round but with a decorative trim that looks very Czech to me. Didn't come with a bowl. 16cms High. Cheers, Gill
URL: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6235
URL: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6233
URL: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6234
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Ok....
A partial resolution of this:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6236
Images is copyright and used in accordance with the copyright conditions accruing. Image is from CGR 1965, issue 11, page 348.
This is a lady with hand stippling, described as being: "treatment of the surface executed by the author J. Forejtova as a unique piece".
The Czech word for unique is "jedinečný", and may be used to mean "alone".
Regards,
Marcus
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Gill, yours is a different mould from mina AND made from a DIFFERENT master too :o
This 'one-off' Jitka design is becoming worthy of a book on its own 8)
Marcus CGR image seems to be a THIRD Mould and master.
If any one else has these - please pile the images in, bowl versions too!
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Just to bring them all together easily accessibly, I've keyworded the images as thinkinglady so they all now can be viewed in the virtual album here: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=search&search=thinkinglady
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Thanks Anne.
Looking at them again I would say angular one was first and then the mauve is the closest to that. Th b/w one seems to be a transition to the purple one. The group of 3 all seem to be the same mould and perhaps closest to the purple it would be good to have some close-ups of the figurines.
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Thanks to everyone for pics and info.
Now I know about the design I probably won't ever see another one for sale.
Valerie
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just spotted this one on eBay in green
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=0&item=280100522809&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=0&item=280100522809&rd=1)
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Hi,
Would folks please confirm.....
All clear have ground bases? Matte do not?
Also, do the matte versions properly fit the frog?
I have had a message which suggests that it may be coincidence, rather than design, that the matte version fits the frog.
If the clear versions all fit, properly, with a ground base, and the matte sit a little proud with a clear division between base of the lady and frog. would that indicate the frosted version was probably not meant to sit on the frog?
Regards,
Marcus
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No frog :( someone beat me to it 8 :'(