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Title: Anyone recognize this unusual milk glass lace edge. - ID = Fenton Scroll and Eye
Post by: cubby01 on July 19, 2010, 06:28:00 PM
Maybe I need to look for something other than 'lace' edge but I've done image searches on several occasions and not seen this particular edge.  

It's just a bit more than 7" across.    (... that's like 10" in 'antiquerose-inches'  ;D)

TIA.

Title: Re: Anyone recognize this unusual milk glass lace edge.
Post by: keith on July 19, 2010, 08:19:10 PM
Reminds me of Sowerby plates but it's not a shape I've seen before,sorry,
                                                                                 Keith.
Title: Re: Anyone recognize this unusual milk glass lace edge.
Post by: antiquerose123 on July 19, 2010, 10:23:16 PM

It's just a bit more than 7" across.   (... that's like 10" in 'antiquerose-inches'  ;D)

TIA.

 :24: :24: ............. :thud: :spls2:  As the ruler was my Kids,  plastic clear, BUT very Dark purple.  Hard to read those little line.  I know, no excuse.... ;)



http://collecting-jewelry-metalware.suite101.com/article.cfm/collecting-milk-glass
http://www.eddieross.com/eddie_ross/2009/11/house-beautiful-holiday.html

Just a guess here --- Imperial ??
Title: Re: Anyone recognize this unusual milk glass lace edge.
Post by: Anne on July 19, 2010, 11:20:36 PM
Nothing in the Milk Glass Society gallery that matches? http://www.nmgcs.org/
Title: Re: Anyone recognize this unusual milk glass lace edge.
Post by: cubby01 on July 19, 2010, 11:41:19 PM
My wife's first thought was Imperial as well, but I haven't found a match in online catalogs, etc.  Initial searches concentrated on the more well known milk glass companies... Westmoreland, Imperial, Mosser, Dunbar, Fostoria, Fenton, etc., without much luck.  We think it's old, at least depression if not earlier.

Nothing in the Milk Glass Society gallery that matches? http://www.nmgcs.org/

Thanks for the link.  I've been there before but not gone through all the galleries.  Will get back there.
Title: Re: Anyone recognize this unusual milk glass lace edge.
Post by: jsmeasell on July 20, 2010, 12:45:36 PM
This looks like our "Scroll and Eye," made in the mid 1950s.
Title: Re: Anyone recognize this unusual milk glass lace edge.
Post by: cubby01 on July 20, 2010, 06:21:04 PM
This looks like our "Scroll and Eye," made in the mid 1950s.

BINGO!, We have a winner!  Yes, Many thanks.  Although google searching for "scroll and eye" turned up several that were not this pattern I found several listed as Fenton Scroll and Eye that were a match, one on ebay looked to an identical piece.   I need to go back through Fenton's catalog and see where I missed it.

EDIT: Well I may have jumped to conclusions regarding the maker.  That very pattern for this shape I've now see attributed to three makers; Atterbury, Challinor Taylor, and Fenton.  Still more research to do I guess ;)
Title: Re: Anyone recognize this unusual milk glass lace edge.
Post by: Anne on July 21, 2010, 01:24:35 AM
If James thinks it's Fenton I'd go with that, to be honest.
Title: Re: Anyone recognize this unusual milk glass lace edge.
Post by: Sid on July 21, 2010, 02:13:56 AM
Hello

I would bet on Jim too.  Based on their catalogs, it is not CT's version.

Sid
Title: Re: Anyone recognize this unusual milk glass lace edge.
Post by: cubby01 on July 21, 2010, 03:52:35 AM
Ah, I fully missed the connection with "looks like our "Scroll and Eye,"" and James's signature association to Fenton.   :-[

Thanks James  :thup:

Title: Re: Anyone recognize this unusual milk glass lace edge.
Post by: jsmeasell on July 21, 2010, 03:21:58 PM
We made this as a plate (shape as it comes from the mould) and as a bowl (warmed-in and turned up a bit all the way around). These are shown in our 1955 catalog and were available in a few opaque colors, including Milk Glass. There are also some attached to a foot to make a comport (or tazza, as some like to call it). We were doing these sorts of things with several different plates in the mid-1950s.
Title: Re: Anyone recognize this unusual milk glass lace edge. - ID = Fenton Scroll and Eye
Post by: jsmeasell on July 23, 2010, 09:20:28 PM
Added information: the inspiration for this Fenton design is the "Scroll & Eye" plate made by Challinor Taylor in the 1880s-1890s. An original ad for C-T's "No. 100 10 in. plate" appears on p. 95 of Robert Lucas' excellent book on Tarentum PA glass. The Fenton plate is smaller, of course, and the design of the outermost edge is a little bit different, I think, probably in anticipation of how the piece would produce as pressed ware.