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Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Anne E.B. on November 22, 2005, 01:25:52 PM
This first plinth has perplexed me.  It's an unusual shape (and 12" long) added to the fact that it is absolutely flat on top and doesn't have the usual small 'rim' to hold things.  I would imagine that anything placed on top would be easily knocked off (by me at least :roll: )
Any ideas as to maker and what is meant to go on top?
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/plinths003.jpg

The second one is quite heavy (3" high).  Again, any ideas as to maker and what it was meant to display?
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/plinths004.jpg

Regards - Anne E.B. :wink:
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Leni on November 22, 2005, 01:37:32 PM
Would the first one have had one of those glass domes on it?  The dome would then fit over the top of the plinth, rather than sit on it :shock:
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: aa on November 22, 2005, 02:12:23 PM
The second looks like it would have had a crystal ball on it :D
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Ivo on November 22, 2005, 02:43:36 PM
Ha! Trick question!
The first one is an upside down "Golf" plate from the H-collection of 1938 made by Leerdam.
The second one looks like the plinth belonging to a dish from either Northwood or Cambridge glass 1922.
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Ivo on November 22, 2005, 02:55:18 PM
(http://tinypic.com/fyn6s0.jpg)
Cambridge glass Azurite bowl without plinth. Anyway, glass with a black plinth was very popular in the twenties, I believe many makers did (optional) black plinths - including Monart, Davidson, Walther, Leerdam.
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Ivo on November 22, 2005, 02:58:57 PM
(http://tinypic.com/fyn7kj.jpg)
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: paradisetrader on November 22, 2005, 03:29:27 PM
Ivo, you are amazing !

How about this one ?
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10006/normal_Glass%20042.jpg)
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: pamela on November 22, 2005, 03:45:51 PM
Anne thank you for sharing!
Ivo, yes as Peter just said you are amazing  :D
GOLF in fact looks like a sand trap on the course  8)
guess it was used as a tray like this?
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/karaffen/01041.html
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Ivo on November 22, 2005, 04:28:10 PM
Yes they call them "plates" but they were used as trays for cream&sugar or jam jars. In fact I have several of these in use myself. I just discovered a golf in dark purple I didn't even know I had!
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Anne E.B. on November 22, 2005, 05:29:54 PM
Ivo - you are a STAR :!:   I would never have guessed.  However, it does explain the wear marks on the bottom of the "plate".  Its always good to see examples from catalogues - so thank you. 8)

Thanks Pamela for showing your decanter set on the tray - it displays it really well.  I've had a little play around with a couple of French decanter sets that I have, using them in the same way.  They don't look as good as yours, but at least I have found a use for the plate/tray :P .
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/LeerdamGolfplate001.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/LeerdamGolfplate002.jpg

Peter - your plinth looks to be the same as mine (3" high x 6" diam. max).   I have two of these now, and have used one to hold my Josef Inwald bowl.  There is just the slightest play, with the diameter of the plinth being slightly larger than the base of the bowl, but it really displays the bowl beautifully (if a little high).  I'm not sure what type of plinth would originally have been used with the bowl, but it looks better on this one, rather than having none at all.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/josefinwald002.jpg

Regards - Anne E.B. :wink:
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: paradisetrader on November 22, 2005, 05:50:41 PM
Anne !
Well I'll be a ********
It is exactly the same !!!
Duh ! Which planet am I on ???
It didn't for one moment occur to me that it could be the same ! Thank you for waking me up !
I had been meaning to ask about mine for ages and had a photo ready at Anne's ID Gallery !
I didnt know what to do with the others I had collected so gave them to Bernard and then this one turned up and has been kicking around various window sills.
I never thought I'd have a use for them until the other day when I noticed how nice this pretty Murano piece looked on it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/avalonsmile/PB141316.jpg)
Totally the wrong use but what the hell !

Oh now for another co-incidence. I have the same Poisson Volant bowl and flower-frog in blue and yours looks great on the plinth.
Is it safe though ? Does it sit well ? I hope you don't have cats !
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: pamela on November 22, 2005, 06:21:03 PM
Anne and Peter, may I doubt please that Anne's with the Inwald?fish and your plinth are same?
Three steps to the base - hmmm yes but different
three steps to the top of Peter's - hmmm invisible on Anne's

further different three steppers can be seen here
Walther Berlin bowl one green, one pink matt, one pink shiny
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/00670.html

 :?:
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: pamela on November 22, 2005, 06:44:09 PM
Anne it is very nice to meet the star footed ensemble here again  :wink:
My Brockwitz black tray is worked out that way that the decanter stands in its 'private' limited section - it only goes with this one - same as the other one next to it on my site on a pink tray - the base of the decanter is formed/pressed onto the tray...
difficult for me to explain
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Anne E.B. on November 22, 2005, 07:19:46 PM
Peter - my Poisson Volant bowl seems quite safe on this particular plinth.  In fact I'd say it was snug-as-a-bug-in-a-rug :lol:   I compared it to the only bowl that I own with its original plinth, i.e. a Davidson one, and there is more play in the latter.  My P.V. bowl sits in the centre of the table and no one but me is allowed to touch it.  No cats (unfortunately), but I am a bit of a klutz and only this afternoon cracked a 50s retro vase bought last week whilst washing it.  I made the cardinal sin of washing it in a stainless steel sink and not a plastic bowl.  Grrrrrrrr :roll:  

Your Murano looks good on the plinth.  I've started collecting plinths now.  They can really lift a piece of glass and make it look exceptional. (unintended pun :lol:  )

Pamela - I've taken another picture of the plinth, hopefully from the same angle that Peter took his.  What do you think now?  I think it is the same.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/view.jpg  

The bowl that you show looks wonderful on its plinth.

Anne E.B. :wink:
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: pamela on November 22, 2005, 07:57:36 PM
Anne, yes at this angle really looks the same!

some of my plinths (not uploaded yet) are clearly marked as British - are yours?

I do very much like to bring this into this thread:
whenever German glass is found in Britain it is matt
like the Berlin bowl above: the shiny was found here, the matt abroad
like Cheri's Walther Rosen lidded dish: shiny here - matt abroad

guess they produced it for the market to export  :?:
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Anne E.B. on November 22, 2005, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: "pamela"


I do very much like to bring this into this thread:
whenever German glass is found in Britain it is matt
like the Berlin bowl above: the shiny was found here, the matt abroad
like Cheri's Walther Rosen lidded dish: shiny here - matt abroad

guess they produced it for the market to export  :?:


That's very interesting to know Pamela.

Of the seven plinths that I have, only two are marked as being British.  The others are unmarked.

Anne E.B. :wink:
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Bernard C on November 23, 2005, 12:04:34 PM
Pamela — Fascinating information, new to me.

I have about 150 mostly British plinths in stock.   The only matt examples are Davidson Cloud, apart from one, part of an all-matt blue Davidson No. 20 three piece floating bowl set.   My experience is that Davidson Cloud plinths can be matt underneath or matt all over.   Matt all over examples seem to have been supplied with D'ed sets (rim turned right over) and all-matt sets.   Jobling coloured plinths are matt all over, as are Davidson "Eva" vase plinths.   Bagley amethyst-purple (as opposed to amethyst-black) plinths are shiny.   Other Bagley coloured plinths are either all-over matt or shiny to match the set. I can't recall any Sowerby coloured or matt plinths.

I would be grateful for any additional observations.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: paradisetrader on November 24, 2005, 02:02:33 AM
Wow I had no Idea you had such a huge stock of them Bernard.
Are you able to identify makers and which bowls they were used for ?
Or do you just take a bowl and look for one which fits ?
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Bernard C on November 24, 2005, 08:30:11 AM
Quote from: "paradisetrader"
... Or do you just take a bowl and look for one which fits?

Surprising comment, Peter.   I suggest you check with some of the more experienced authorities on the GMB.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: paradisetrader on November 24, 2005, 12:37:38 PM
er that would be you wouldn't it ?
Who else knows about plinths here then ?

I note you didn't ID Anne's so I thought maybe some of them are not identifiable.
I know nothing about them obviously, which is why I'm asking !
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Anne on December 28, 2005, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: "Bernard C"
I have about 150 mostly British plinths in stock.
Bernard C.  8)


Bernard, is this still the case? If so, I'll e-mail you directly. :)
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Bernard C on December 28, 2005, 09:39:11 PM
Anne — don't think about it, as I am not a spare parts supplier.   They are too important to me for reference purposes and for replacing damaged items in my own new stock.    Any spare plinths I use for swapping with china dealers who use them for display.   I don't have any left over; indeed I buy almost every spare plinth I find, and still can't find enough.

They come up fairly frequently on eBay.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Anne on December 28, 2005, 10:45:07 PM
OK thanks Bernard. The one I'm after is not such a common one so is proving hard to track down. :(
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Ivo on December 29, 2005, 08:11:35 AM
Quote from: "Bernard C"
I am not a spare parts supplier 8)


so THAT is what happened to the bulb inset.  8)
Title: What would sit on these plinths?
Post by: Tigerchips on July 16, 2006, 09:45:09 AM
I think Peter and Anne's plinth are Bagley plinths.

As shown in the Bagley glass book (Angela Bowey, Derek and Betty Parsons). 3 inches tall, jut over 6 inches across the base and 4.5 inches across the top inside the rim.

It also says that Sowerby made a similar one with only two steps.