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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: deje on January 06, 2010, 07:17:42 PM
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HI ! at first , sorry for my english , i m from germany
i ve got a question about these seguso sculpture by "gral glas" germany.
has anybody informations for me about this sculpture (date of making , estimate..) i ve looking the "whole" internet (3 weeks) an found nothing ..
i would be glad if anybody can say something about these sculpture ..
the scuplure ist signet by seguso and is about 25-30 cm high ..
greetings from germany , dennis
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has nobody an idea or informations :ac1: ;)
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Hi, Dennis. Probably other people are like myself in admiring Livio Seguso, but being unable to put a price on his works. Livio did much of his animal work c. 1970, give or take a few years. I don't know about his relationship with gral glass of Germany. His work usually realizes good prices. The value varies widely, depending on the market. I am not an expert on Livio, so any value I would give would just be a guess. I can only say that it has good value. Sorry I could not provide better information. We have a couple of members who know more about Livio than I do. Perhaps they will read your message soon.
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All I know is that he founded Seguso Arte Vetro (Seguso A.V.) in 1969 and trained under the great Alfredo Barbini and worked for Salviati in the 1960's before founding Seguso Arte Vetro. His skills are superb and are mistaken for Archimede Seguso all the time on Ebay and other auction sites. But I am afraid that is all I know about this man especially when it comes to his work outside Murano I just don't have a clue. You have some beautiful birds though and I am sure they have a retain a value.
tam bam
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Is this the full name of the company by chance? Gral Glashütte
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i think it s the same .. on the "sticker(?)" is printed "GRAL GLAS" .. i knew that L.seguso "worked" for this company a few times in the 1970 th .
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I found these cute fish. I do not speak much German but I thought I would post it for you. I am doing some research for you on this company. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110454660077 What part of Germany are you from if you don't mind me asking. I was there in 1992 visiting with a friend and we went to Stuttgart. She has family there and we had the best time. I want to go back someday. I just love the food and the culture. Everyone I encountered was so nice and friendly. Just a beautiful country. I didn't want to come back to the States. Not that I hate the States or anything but I was just having too much of a good time.
tam bam
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thank you for your posting :) .. it s the first item that i see in the internet from gral glas and seguso :thup:
i am from nort rhine westfalica , the city of bielefeld , stuttgard is about 500 km away from me ;) ..
it s nice to hear so nice things about my country .. but iv e got to say that iv got a little daugher (5 years old) in michigan / usa ;) ;) i like this land too, ans i am glad that my sweetie speaks english and german ... ;) it s better for me ..
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Gosh, you are so right there really isn't that much out there on the net on this company and especially connected to Livio Seguso. Here is a link to Glass Notes and what they say about the company but no mention of Livio working for the company. I wonder if he just did commissioned work for them at one point or something like that. http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/mane-g.htm.
This company is about as hard to find as Glass Studio Borowski. I collect their work as well and trying to find info and dates on their pieces is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack. I can find some of their modern work but no dates but their later work forget it. :huh:
tam bam
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Hello Dennis, greetings from Stewart Island. If you take a look at this link to my seagulls, by Livio Seaguso, you can see that they are very similar.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,30387.0.html
I love your birds, and they look to have a similar base as my birds. Mine have the Seguso label.
:thup: Sandy.
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Hi Dennis,
there are different figures by Livio Seguso for Gralglas. I remember a fish, a seal
and chunky elephants in at least two sizes and I´ve seen others, but can´t recall what
species.
They pop up now and then on ebay.de; have you tried searching for ended listings?
Being signed with the monogram LV seems to be the standard, but I recall a piece with
a full signature recently.
Greetings from Verl!
Dirk
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hi dirk! yes I have searched the whole internet but have found nothing that comes close to my sculpture. that's the problem.
gruss aus bielefeld ;)
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Hi,
couldn´t find your sculpture either, but but here´s a small zoo:
fish (http://cgi.ebay.de/Gral-Glas-Livio-Seguso-Glasfigur-Fisch-Fischer-Sey_W0QQitemZ290388629884QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGlas_Kristall?hash=item439c82d97c)
bird (http://cgi.ebay.de/GLASSKULPTUR-VOGEL-LIVIO-SEGUSO-FUR-GRALGLAS-UM-1960_W0QQitemZ250559926942QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGlas_Kristall?hash=item3a5689129e)
seagull (http://cgi.ebay.pl/Glasfigur-Moewe-Gral-Glas-Livio-Seguso-Fischer-Seyfang_W0QQitemZ380173238791QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGlas_Kristall?hash=item5884174207)
seal (http://cgi.ebay.de/Gralglas-Gral-Glas-Seehund-%2F-Robbe-Livio-Seguso-sign.-_W0QQitemZ330376638850QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20091113?IMSfp=TL091113178003r16364)
bird II (http://www.von-zezschwitz.de/onlinecatalog.php?id=53&chapter=2&page=7&PHPSESSID=f2271b)
elephant (http://www.art-antik.de/art-antik/katalog_Glas.html)
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i think the birds looks close to my sculpture ...
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:ac1: am i right if i think that nobody know my sculpture here ??
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Someone may, but not everyone visits every day. Some folks are occasional visitors and some are away on hols/working/whatever, so be patient please. We keep unresolved topics under review and eventually manage to find answers to some of them... but it takes time. ;D
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.... ;)
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Hi Dennis,
unless you´ve moved to Buxtehude meanwhile and are the seller, this might answer your questions:
finished ebay-auction: Livio Seguso bird-sculpture (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300389930413&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.de%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4712.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D300389930413%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1)
(stehe gerade auf dem Dach und winke zu Dir rüber!)
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:clap: great !!!! thanks for this link !! is the first that i see about this sculpture !!
but i think it s cheap ;) :o 8) ...
( mal zurück wink )
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hi all, in general like in a oil painting that Thar is not much info on douse it greatly heart the value. the amount of collectors looking for an item? :huh:
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@ dirk . can you translate the last posting in german please .. i speak english , but with my knowledge i don t find the sense in this posting .. i am sorry !!!! :huh: :'( ::)
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Deje, even those of use who speak English couldn't make much sense of the sentence. ;) It wasn't you. I figured it was one of the arty sentences that was to be felt more than read -- a difficult thing to do when translating from one language to another. I think he meant that how much something sells for depends on if there is anyone looking. Prices go up and down a lot because there is one or more people who really want the piece. If those people are on vacation, the price stays low. It is the risk of the auction.
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:clap: ok , i understand your posting ;D ..
i think he is right .. if there s nobody who s looking for an item , then the price is "down" ..
but it could be that this item is so rare that nobody knows it ;) ...
i m a "numismaticspecialist" and it s the same with some rare coins if you want to sell them on ebay ....
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I used to sell coins, too -- Morgan silver dollars. The values were pretty easy to figure, since there is one accepted table of values. I find glass so much more difficult. Many times I would like to buy a piece of glass, but I really have no idea of the value. Most art glass is not found in the books and it is hard to find an exact piece sold in a store or on auction. Some people say, "Pay what it is worth to you," which usually draws a blank stare from me.:-\
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that was a mess you are right i should have looked at that before i posted it. what i meant to say was like in paintings if no one knows the artist with months or years of research and then try to convince the collecting cumunity that its one of a kind or to make some sort of buzz about the item or items. after a day or to i end up packing them in a box and put them in the :huh: section. and find something else real quick to make me feel better ;D
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We need a scratch-head emoticon. :huh: My brain is too little, I fear. Where do you live, glasshunter?
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i dident mean to confuse any one or say somthing rong thanks
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Hi Dennis,
I´m away on a construction job at the moment, so please excuse I can´t response every day...
The item in the auction was correctly described and the duration was long enough for anyone
really interested to find it. Therefor I think the price is kind of realistic for ebay; the price of
an auction house or a shop would surely been higher. But one should consider, that people are
generally a bit more cautious with ebay - we all know why. I´ve seen LG figures fetch much less.
Another fact may be, that german glass regardless of whoever designed it seems less collectible
to people. Same item without label incorrectly described as a signed Murano figure would perhaps
have brought a higher result. Perhaps...
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thank you for your postings :clap: :thup: ... now i know what if got for an item here ! but .... in a few day some others are following ;) ... if got them all when iv e got buying some coin collections ;) but i am not collecting coins , i m an "indentificator" for this .. ;) ...
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@ dirk .. : if you want , then take a look at "us" ( see my signature) ;)
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Just a little info I found out today regarding Gralglas. I mentioned in this thread (1st page) Glass Studio Borowski. One of the Borowski brothers who designs glass for Glass Studio Borowski use to work for Gralglas as an engraver and assembly person. Just thought I would add it in here for future reference.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.galerie-beim-roten-turm.de/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dglass%2Bstudio%2Bborowski%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhi1bDV350Bg6rT3nZI5UHP51XM5bA
tam bam