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Title: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: adam20 on December 01, 2012, 10:05:20 AM
Wedgwood duck signed to base 7" - wondered about date?

Adam
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: rosieposie on December 01, 2012, 11:38:14 AM
Hi Adam,
This will be around 1970 or slightly later,  I am sure Wayne will be able to give you a more accurate date, his website gives a great deal of information on the history of Wedgwood as does Thistleblower.
Rosie.  :)
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: neil53 on December 02, 2012, 11:52:42 PM
Hi, this is model RSW232 or SG232 I believe - the RSW standing for Ronald Stennett Willson, the designer, of course.  The Wedgwood England sand blasted mark was introduced in 1971 after the representation of the Portland Vase was dropped.  It was maintained until Wedgwood Glass closed, so anytime from late 1971 to the end of the century I am afraid.  They made a lot of ducks - a bit like English batsmen!
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: rosieposie on December 03, 2012, 12:14:57 AM
Hi Neil,  I always thought they stopped making the ducks in 1989??  Now where did I get that info from?   I will have to check through my info to see what made me think that.

I'm glad you mentioned the removal of the Portland vase though, because I was chatting to a friend a couple of months ago and mentioned a piece he had bought must have been pre 1970 because it had the acid etched vase on the base....Whew, glad I got that right!!
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: neil53 on December 03, 2012, 10:26:06 AM
Hi Rosie, you are quite right of course.  Wedgwood sold Wedgwood Glass to Caithness in 1988 so no "Wedgwood" ducks were made after that date.  The Portland Vase mark was actually sand blasted I believe, rather than acid etched.  This was for safety reasons.
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: aa on December 03, 2012, 07:51:38 PM
My recollection is that Wedgwood Glass actually closed in 1987 but it is possible that the sale to Caithness may have been 1988.

This is based on the fact that in 1987 I took on some ex-Wedgwood glassmakers who had been made redundant when Wedgwood pulled out of glass.
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: rosieposie on December 03, 2012, 08:58:48 PM
Now I didn't know the portland Vase Logo was sandblasted Neil... see you never stop learning, do you?

!And I have just bought one of your 1989 Ellies from that era Adam... signed Turnmill... happy me!!

Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: aa on December 03, 2012, 10:05:47 PM
!And I have just bought one of your 1989 Ellies from that era Adam... signed Turnmill... happy me!!
Well done! Image? ;-)
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: rosieposie on December 03, 2012, 10:32:59 PM
Will post an image when it arrives Adam... OK? Might even bring it with me to show you at one of your open days if I have it by then. 
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: Paul S. on December 04, 2012, 03:03:16 PM
quote from Neil........."The Portland Vase mark was actually sand blasted I believe, rather than acid etched.  This was for safety reasons".         
Just thought it might be of interest to say that according to Susan Tobin, ALL Wedgwood marks were 'sand etched'  -  although it's probably better to say sand-blasted, otherwise there might be confusion. :)
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: rosieposie on December 04, 2012, 09:34:31 PM
Thanks for that clarification Paul,  I always wondered why the Wedgwood England mark was so rough...now I know.  :) 
I well remember an eBay listing where the seller had described it as Maker Unknown but with WEDGWIXXI) ENGLAND on the base!  I wrote and explained that it said Wedgwood,  but they would not believe me until I sent a picture of the type of 'stencil writing' on the side of a Tea Chest, then they wrote back and thanked me profusely....then listed it as WEDGEWOOD!!!

Aggggghhhhh!!! :o

Why do they put an 'E' in the middle for heavens sake?? ::)
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: Carolyn Preston on December 05, 2012, 12:27:07 AM
Because that is how it is pronounced, even if that is not how it is spelled. They are simply following the normal English spelling rules. Don't realize it is one of the thousands of exceptions.

Carolyn
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: rosieposie on April 08, 2016, 12:54:16 AM
Hi, this is model RSW232 or SG232 I believe - the RSW standing for Ronald Stennett Willson, the designer, of course.  The Wedgwood England sand blasted mark was introduced in 1971 after the representation of the Portland Vase was dropped.  It was maintained until Wedgwood Glass closed, so anytime from late 1971 to the end of the century I am afraid.  They made a lot of ducks - a bit like English batsmen!

I know this is an old thread now,  but does anyone by any chance know what SG stood for?  We know that RSW stood for Ronald Stennett Willson, but SG??  I am stuck here.
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: Paul S. on April 08, 2016, 08:20:36 AM
not for certain, unfortunately.             
However, quoting from Susan Tobin's book..................

""In the mid-1970s though the existing number for current items remained the same, the alphabetical code was changed from RSW to SG.           Additional codes   -  CG, CJG, SJ (Silver Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth's accession   -  1977), SJG, and ST  - were introduced from that time also.""

The longhand explanation for some of these codes would appear to be fairly obvious........... i.e.   Commemorative Glass, Commemorative Jubilee Glass etc., but Susan Tobin doesn't explain what SG stands for.
In the various Appendices in the author's book, other codes also look to be obvious ............    B for bowls,   D for Decanters and related objects, J for jewellery,  L for lamps etc.

Might SG have been for Stennett Glass, Sandringham Glass, Small Gifts, Small Glass etc. ;)

Perhaps someone should send the lady an email and ask.
Title: Re: Wedgwood Duck
Post by: rosieposie on April 08, 2016, 06:09:13 PM
Thanks for replying Paul.... yes,  like you I did check Susan Tobin's book with the same results, but no definitive answer.
I will see if I can contact her next week. :)