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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: Margi on September 13, 2010, 06:54:11 AM
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Picked this up for the other half's ashtray collection. It hits me as 1960's/1970's and was thinking poss Murano. Very smooth, geometric and highly polished. Perfect condition. Thoughts if possible please.
Margi
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It could be Czech, what colour is it?
John
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It is amethyst will take some better pics now the sun is shining
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Here is better pics hopefully.
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::) mmm, the clue was in the title wasn't it......
Anyway (quickly moving on), I would look towards Czechoslovakia or Bohemia (depending on date) for a manufacturer. Andy McConnell in his book 20th Century Glass (page 57) shows similar examples with "designer unknown for Heinrich Hoffman c1930".
John
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I suggest you put it near a flourescent light - I expect it to turn pale blue or pale green. If so it is neodymium glass and I woould then favour a Bohemian maker.
Ross
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Thanks peeps. I have thought about the alexandrite because this morning it looked more grey not seen it turn green or blue yet though.
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The piece is Czechoslovakian, designed by Grecia Scheibler, see
http://www.desna-glass.cz/www/products-detail.php?id=146
later fabricated in Jablonecke sklo and then in Desna.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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Does somebody have any informations about Grecia Scheibler?
Scheibler is a common name of the Jablonec area, but I have never heard about "Grecia Scheibler".
I´m shure the ashtray is originally designed by Franz Burkert (1904-1968) who was born at Josefuvdul (Josefsthal) near Jablonec (Gablonz). He was known as perfume-bottel designer for Rachmann brothers at Haida/Novy bor and had also a small company at Josefuvdul where Carl Riedel had his facilities. After expulsion from bohemia in 1946 he and his family stranded in Hesse/Germany where he founded the "Kristallglas GmbH" and was one of 10 bohemian founding members of the HG "Hesse Glasworks" (Hessenglas GmbH) at Oberursel-Stierstadt / Germany. He became quite famous for his harmonic and ageless geometric-design.
This ashtray was further on manufactured by the "Kristallglas GmbH" at Oberursel from 1947 up to the 70s in two sizes. Many colours are known, for example the solid colours Seegrün (seagreen), Rauchgrau (smoke), Flieder (amethyst), Alexandrit, Champagner (citrin) and even cased colours like well-known Hessenglas-specialty Regenbogenglas (rainbow). This ashtray was quite often sold to the US and France. The original design-drawings are stationed at the Vortaunus-Museum in Oberursel. Two perfume bottles of Franz Burkert are btw at the CMOG, New York.
Here you can see some examples of the ashtray (with the "Kristallglas GmbH Oberursel"-Lable fom 1950):
http://www.kristallglas-oberursel.net/Text/ProdukteKristallglas_Ascher.html
Here are more informations about the companys history:
http://www.kristallglas-oberursel.net/Text/HistorieKristallglas.html
Of course in 1946 Franz Burkerts drawings had to be left behind in his home country and they were also produced further on in Josefuvdul. When I visited Josefuvdul in 1991, I got one example of this ashtray in yellow, which was just manufactured there. In the Mid-90s I saw new ashtrays from Bohemia-Crystal. Suddenly it appears at Desna too.
This speaks for this ageless design; I think its just great.
I also have one japanese copy of the Kristallglas-Rainbow-ashtray. In fact they did not manage to produce the rainbow-colour, they just glued on a multicoloured foil on the bottom to imitate the rainbow-colour reflections.
I´m not shure about the origin of this topics ashtray, but it seems it could be the solid Hessenglas-colour "Flieder". Examples you can find on my homepage. It will take some time to put a complet english translation about the new "Jablonec-industry-connection" at Oberursel to the net, so feel free to ask if you have any questions.
Hope I could help a little,
Oliver
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Interesting news, Oliver
I do not know where the attribution at Desna website came from.
The best expert in our country for this North Bohemian region is Dr. Petr Nový (petr.novy(at)msb-jablonec.cz - Mod: CHANGE (at) TO @ TO MAKE ADDRESS WORK) from Glass museum in Jablonec (www.msb-jablonec.cz). As far as I know he co-operated with Desna Glass, possibly he will be able to give you qualified answer.
I suppose that Mr. Novy speaks also German.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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I have this piece in green and clear labeled by Bohemia Crystal Czechoslovakia, I suppose that this pieces are from 70ties manufactred in Jablonecke sklo. I have seen it in citrine and violet. It is not miracle that the production continued in Desna in 90ties, Desna was follower of Jablonske after privatisation.
But anyway, the factory in Desna - formerly Polubny - Polaun, is closed now.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskloslovenskesklo
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here is my piece
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...and here's mine:
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_t5KKQ-wV-Tc/TF7So25WbXI/AAAAAAAABWs/RVk5-mL-d5E/glas139.jpg)
Best Regards
Emil
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Ohhhhh -- I like Very MUCH !! :thup:
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@ Jindrich
Thanks for the informations, I´ll try to find out more..
@ Bonsaismurf
Very nice colour and quality, but in detail I think proportions and the cutting look a bit different from the 50s-Franz Burkert-version; looks like a modern interpretation of a design-classic. Wonder, who made this one.
Meanwhile I searched for a late 50s-photograph (please excuse the poor picture-quality) of an ashtray with the Hessenglas-overlay-rainbow-colour. The one I found is a piece produced by Josef Mitlehner at Kronberg (Hesse nearby Oberursel) and sold by Hesse Glasworks (HG). Mitlehner originated from bohemian Maxov (Unter Maxdorf) nearby Josefuvdul too and was also one founding member of Hesse Glasworks. The designelements relate also definately to the earlier Franz Burkert ashtray, which also was known with the rainbow colour. This piece can be found at Glasmuseum Gernheim/Germany.
The other pictures show another copy with the efforts to imitate the Hessenglas-rainbow-colour-reflections by glewing on a foil at the bottom.
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Thanks for all the informations, makes interesting reading. One question though is mine from the 70s or the 90's do you think?
Merci
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Hello Margi,
whats the size of your ashtray?
The Kristallglas GmbH model from the 50s measures exactly 11 cm on each triangle-side (on top).
Later ones are a little bigger; but I have to check this. The late copy with the rainbow-foil measures 12,5 cm.
Your colour could be "Flieder" (english =elder) from Hessenglas.
Oliver
www.kristallglas-oberursel.net
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Czech piece from 60-80ties with Glassexport label has triangle side approx 14cm.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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Well I like to be awkward sometimes mine measures 12cm each side on top.
Margi
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I found this one in a flea market at Buenos Aires.
This is my piece.
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I found one of these today in clear crystal with the square top rim, but I'm a little confused about who designed or produced it.