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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 30, 2005, 04:29:21 PM
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My views on how to get it right on Murano.
5. Toilets
Hotel and other tourist toilets are what you expect, although the way they keep them immaculate puts us British to shame.
10. Pigeons
. They are dirty and disgusting birds, just like all city pigeons. Throw your crumbs into the canal, where they will be recycled into fish.
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Rather apt kettle and pot exchanging references to black. So the British toilets are dirty.... but which of the birds are the clean ones??...any ??...
I believe one the board members is an avid birdwatcher...perhaps they could enlighten us
regards
gareth
morgan
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There are no dirty or disgusting birds. The "dirt" and "disgust" are just human perceptions.
A bit like glass, really ... I think some items are really awful but others say they are wonderful, whereas, similar in concept to the philosophical discussions on "art glass" elsewhere, the actual items have no inherent condition of "awfullness" or "wonder".
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There are no dirty or disgusting birds. The "dirt" and "disgust" are just human perceptions.
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Kevin
Dismissive postulation from such superior intelligence doesn't strike me as particularly "pereceptive"!!.....more like a contradiction.
regards
gareth
morgan48
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[Dismissive postulation from such superior intelligence doesn't strike me as particularly "pereceptive"!!.....more like a contradiction.
regards
gareth
morgan48
I'm really sorry Gareth, and I know it's probably me being 'thick', but sometimes (well, no, often, actually :oops: ) I just don't understand what you are talking about! :oops: :( :roll:
Leni
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We had a severe problem with pigeons in an enclosed shaft (except top) at the back of our building. The pigeon excrement had built up to such a level that we had to have it cleaned up and netted over last year. In the course we discovered that the nasty bugs in pigeon poo are one of the major causes of death for Aids sufferers and also dangerous to infants. We thought Felicity, who enjoed looking through the GLASS at them, would miss them. But they soon worked out how to sleep on the 'special' anti-pigeon net. Problem is again accumulating.
Mind you it is a minor risk compared with that experienced by many workers in the glass industry from toxic materials.
I suppose it makes the pigeons neither disgusting nor dirty, it is us for not cleaning their nesting sites. The folks around here (I live in the middle of the night life zone) are much better candidates for dirty and disgusting and create much worse mess than any pigeons. :D The one good thing is a constant supply of free glasses deposited around the streets for morning collection! Disturbing though, is the increasing use of plastic 'glasses'.
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I forgot to include Murano! My bet is that more dirt is created by the people than the pigeons!
With all the different things in pigeon dung perhaps it could give some interesting effects if included in glass-making?
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I suppose it makes the pigeons neither disgusting nor dirty, it is us for not cleaning their nesting sites. .
Leni
Any remark that blandly dismisses pigeons, or whatever, as dirty and disgusting is a typical example of the arrogance of mankind. We create an environment to some extent artificial, enforce it upon the wildlife that is around, and then have the temerity to criticise it for doing exactly what it did prior to such an imposition.
We appear to have this amazing facility to be able to divert accountability and responsibility onto something else that was quite incapable of having played any direct or deliberate role to the outcome.....one that in many instances is propelled by our own greed, ignorance and stupidity.
An example of this currently is in the Far East with the concern regarding a possibly very serious epidemic emanating from a situation that includes chickens. The fingers keep pointing to the chickens and very conveniently keep trying to sidestep the fact that it is the "bulk farmers" and the various mechanised and materialistic cohorts that have jammed them into the appalling and squalid environment that is allowing this disease to propagate. The chickens in the meanwhile are dying as a direct result of this intense farming and unfortunately, despite being reviled for transmitting such a despicable disease, are quite incapable of changing their fate one iota....apart from dying that is.....and here they should be applauded for their magnificent effort and contribution to resolving the problem
Kevins use of the word perception I simply felt was bestowing an accolade to those who simply close their eyes prior to pulling the trigger and then have a look to see what they shot!.... Kevin possibly a lot kinder... and me much more critical. Give me a birdwatcher anyday over one who simply blasts them out of the sky for fun!!!!
In my opinion the word perceptive is much more correctly and aptly applied when used in the context as illustrated by Franks observation ( see quote above ).
I dont doubt there are some, maybe me included even , whose reaction to this might be that all I enjoy doing is banging lots of drums, picking holes in people and generally being an arrogant fart...and that this is not an appropriate site to be promoting such opinions...bear in mind however that my postings have simply been a response to and not an instigation of a subject.......but if caring about this extremely precarious environment that we have colluded to attempt to survive in justifies that label...then so be it...but something inside of me does not allow an alternative choice.
I am also aware that there are those who with wicked perversion enjoy sticking the pig simply to make it grunt.
Leni ...that you do not understand me is certainly not your fault....but it is nevertheless a concern.
regards
gareth
morgan48
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Leni ...that you do not understand me is certainly not your fault....but it is nevertheless a concern.
regards
gareth
morgan48
Gareth, thank you.
I do 'understand you' - on one level. And I have to say that I agree and am completely in sympathy with your views!
However, sometimes (particularly when reading your posts late at night :roll: :oops: ) I find your way of putting things slightly difficult to follow. :?
My lack of 'understanding' is 100% due to style rather than content :shock:
Told you it was just me bein' thick :oops:
Leni xx
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However, sometimes (particularly when reading your posts late at night :roll: :oops: ) I find your way of putting things slightly difficult to follow. :?
My lack of 'understanding' is 100% due to style rather than content :shock:
Told you it was just me bein' thick :oops:
Leni xx
Hi Leni
If there is a problem in communication then I would say the fault is mine...you are not the first to tell me that I'm sometimes difficult to follow... its a lot more complicated when its in my head which is probably why it makes sense to me once I've written it down.....a bit like exorcising the demons.
Actually I think a very good example of when it can sometimes "come out" with possible chances of being misinterpreted is the short reply of mine to Kevin. The following day it sounded to me as though I were criticising him which I certainly was not..my reference was to other parties but then it didn't seem to read that way :oops: :oops: ( my turn ).........and as I had not logged in I could not change the slant.....so I even confuse myself.
Anyway Leni you certainly are not thick... its just that I talk in circles and you think in straight lines...Reading your postings I get the impression of a happy easy going person who just wishes everyone else maybe was as happy...dont change that as it is a quality to be desired and a great shame that not more people share it.
regards
gareth
morgan48
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Hello, I'm replying to this topic because at one point, Gareth (Morgan48) was logged in on this thread. He's been absent from the GMB for some time now, and people are becoming concerned, and missing him!
I hope you are watching this topic for replies, Gareth, and that you might pop in and say "hello" again? Please?
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Hi Sue
Many many thanks for the wake up call...I was just looking at the date of the last post and it was now over a year ago... unbelievable..
Very kind of you to say hullo and very much appreciated.
I've been busy since last March ( 2005 ) with some recording projects and typically of me I tend to end up blinkered to that which is going on around me....... I do "pop" in on the GMB from time to time just to see what is going on...
During this time I have also made several attempts to seriously downsize on the amount of glass etc that I have... when it comes down to packing it into cupboards and the loft ( thereby consigned to darkness forever more ) then I see no point keeping so much........ but I cant shift the magpie instinct and have spent many an hour being "selective" and then deciding to put it all away again...!!!...barmy....but then I'm a Welshman living in England... so pretty much to be expected....
.... anyway Sue... enough of my prattling on.... how are you... and are you still collecting IOW and M'dina.... or are you branching out further...and what have I missed out on.....????
I promise to keep in touch this time...
Take care
Gareth
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Morgan48
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Those who like to criticise a few words of an early draft taken out of context might like to read the original topic Visiting Murano (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,310.0.html) in full, and check the "Last edited" dates.
The topic has, in general, been well received, and I know several who have found it a useful briefing before their visits to the island.
Please judge it for yourself, properly.
Bernard C. 8)
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Hello {{{{{Gareth}}}}}!
I'm so pleased you're okay! Thanks for letting us know.
Have you seen there's a GMB Cafe now, where folk can go to discuss stuff that gets a bit off-topic, but you have to be registered to see it.
Yes, I'm still into Mdina ans IoWSG, but have come to the end of my funds, so am not buying much. Fortunately, I think I'm about finished the collection.
The book on Michael Harris, Mdina and IoWSG, by Mark Hill is being launched at the next Cambridge fair in September, so I'm looking forward to that.
Bernard, :oops: I'm sorry I ended up taking a thread where something you'd written could be taken out of context, I'm afraid I just got excited when I realised this would be a way of trying to reach Gareth, to find out how he is!
:lol: :shock: :lol: It worked!
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Hi Sue.. Bernard..Simone
Hi Sue
Very pleased that all is well with you... funny thing though with collecting is that there is a certain drive to complete it and yet there is maybe a dissapointment should we ever reach such a position....I suppose like many other things in life the destination is simply an indicator of where the journey might take us... but the really important issue is in the doing.
Perhaps you'll walk past another piece of glass tomorrow and think wow...and off you go again....its exciting.... I'll not be wandering off again and once more many thanks for the contact.
Hi Bernard
Hopefully our conversation of last year simply remains in its appropriate historical place and leaves no after-taste. Life moves on and I certainly have... We expressed our opinions then and placed a full stop at the end of it. Hopefully you've collected well since then and currently enjoying this superb Spring sunshine.
Hello Simone
Well you are certainly an avid contributor to this board and good to see such an exuberant interest.... I need to go over some of your previous postings to get an idea of your interests...... you can of course tell me but I like also to "read" the person behind the collector.. Speak to you soon
Many regards to all
Gareth
Morgan48