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Title: date request for Perthshire p/w
Post by: Paul S. on January 05, 2013, 07:50:33 PM

not my area at all so forgive the ignorance, and naively thought that the 'P' was a date code.         Internet seems to be saying that pre 1979 Perthshire pieces also frequently show the year - which, however, I can't see on this one  -  is it possible to date this item please.            I also seem to be reading that these pastel canes, plus the bristol blue base, were often a trade mark of Peter McDougall, and hoping someone might be able to confirm of I'm right or wrong.         Diameter is about 2.5" - 62mm and base has ground/polished pontil depression.         Thanks for looking :) 

Title: Re: date request for Perthshire p/w
Post by: Nick77 on January 05, 2013, 08:31:23 PM

Only a few designs had the date letters added from A in 1969 to Z in 1994. Some designs also had a date cane set in the base P1980 etc. I've not heard of the blue base and pastel canes being specific to Peter.

This is a PP2 the hollow ground base and central P cane shows it to be made after 1978. Before '78 it would have a fire polished base and no P cane.



Nick

Title: Re: date request for Perthshire p/w
Post by: Paul S. on January 06, 2013, 09:05:53 AM

thanks for the informative reply - very much appreciated. :)         

Title: Re: date request for Perthshire p/w
Post by: tropdevin on January 06, 2013, 04:06:07 PM

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Hi Paul.

You don't say where on the internet you saw this comment about pre-1979 pieces often being dated, but it sounds like a site to avoid in future (along with Hobbizine, for example). There are some very good paperweight sites on the internet, but - sadly - some very bad / misleading ones too.

Alan

Title: Re: date request for Perthshire p/w
Post by: Paul S. on January 06, 2013, 04:26:17 PM

hi Alan  -  unfortunately, I don't now remember.            I often view reams of internet sites whilst in the pursuit of information when I'm in the dark (frequently) about some newish subject, but mostly don't recall where I've been looking.          If I can remember, I'll post details, otherwise many thanks for the advice. :)

Title: Re: date request for Perthshire p/w
Post by: w8happiness on January 12, 2013, 03:45:32 PM

Hi Paul,
I would like to add something to the other comments, Perthshire made the
PP5 model (Mahoney p.81) and this also has the hollow ground base (after 1972 until 1995) and
it is also distinguished by the translucent ground  (while PP2 always has opaque grounds)-

For the P signature in PP 2 Mahoney says weights before 1978 are unsigned, weights made since 1978 have a center "P".
The PP 5 can have a very similar cane layout as PP2 does, but the translucent ground with yours point
at PP 5 also, I had do "move" one unsigned from PP2 to PP 5 on behalf of the translucent ground,
kind regards e.j.m.

Title: Re: date request for Perthshire p/w
Post by: Paul S. on January 12, 2013, 07:19:11 PM

many thanks for this additional information e.j.m - I shall now re-categorize this one as PP5, although assume the date will remain post '78, in view of the 'P' signature.  :)