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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: David555 on May 21, 2006, 10:31:25 PM

Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: David555 on May 21, 2006, 10:31:25 PM
Hi

Some p/w Czech glass I bought recently while involved in debate ‘Chalet or Czech’

František Vizner long vase or jardinière 1961, 6.2” long, 4.2” high

(http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7869/vase1c1of.th.jpg) (http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vase1c1of.jpg)

Small Sklo Union vase, 3.3” high

(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3465/czechv19ta.th.jpg) (http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=czechv19ta.jpg)

Harrtil bowl, 5” across, 2.4” high

(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2693/harrtil29pa.th.jpg) (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=harrtil29pa.jpg)

Here is a giggle (Marcus) link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3706754402&category=63539&ssPageName=mem_guide:1&rd=1)  

Better image of previously posted bowl

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4816/chb16fc.th.jpg) (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chb16fc.jpg)

Beautiful Sklo Union Paperweight in neodymium with bubbles perfectly balanced & as good as any piece of Caithness. 3.6” high and almost bullet shaped it has a yellow export label.  

(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9961/pweight7mn.th.jpg) (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pweight7mn.jpg)

I think this medium sized bowl is Sklo – can you confirm this Marcus?

(http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/9820/nodulebowl2lu.th.jpg) (http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nodulebowl2lu.jpg)

This small ashtray bowl has been seen before. It has perfect controlled bubbles and is a blue case in pink. Often attributed to Murano I feel it is Czech, what do others think

(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2762/tricontrolbubbleblue7oa.th.jpg) (http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tricontrolbubbleblue7oa.jpg)

Rudolf Jurnikl 'cog' bowl for Rudolfova Hut 1970s

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4425/cogbowl8wk.th.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cogbowl8wk.jpg)



Thanks everyone

Adam P
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: Tigerchips on May 21, 2006, 10:58:34 PM
I'd be interested to know about the medium bowl as I've had one in amber. I thought mine was an ashtray though. How big is it, please?
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: David555 on May 21, 2006, 11:13:07 PM
Hi Tiger

The bowl is 6" diam, 1" high - but I am sure I have seen smaller and larger ones
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: Ivo on May 22, 2006, 06:54:54 AM
Looks to me the neodymium PW is ZBS; the blue bowl is TTBOMK Finnish (Toikka); the nailmould ashtray Murano.
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: Anne E.B. on May 22, 2006, 03:14:23 PM
Great buys Adam 8)

Good to see another paperweight like mine - with the same sticker.   "Neodymium" - is that the curious bluey/green tinge that can be seen in it?  Fantastically tactile piece of glass and beautifully made I agree  http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/misc578.jpg I got it as a swap - but I think I came off better.

Ivo - sorry to be so thick - but what is ZBS?  :oops:

On a lighter note, I've just seen a small Sklo Union vase similar to yours shown,  but identical to one I showed previously with internal ridges, described as a Victorian/Edwardian eye bath on eBay.
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: David555 on May 22, 2006, 03:27:36 PM
ZBS = Zelezny Brod Sko

Anne your weight is same as mine - 'Neodymium colours glass in delicate shades ranging from pure violet through wine-red and warm grey'

Simple test - notice how in different light your weight changes colour from grey blue through to violet - sometimes known as 'rare earth'

Nice swap Anne - great to have the Sklo label

Adam P
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: Sklounion on May 22, 2006, 03:52:17 PM
Zeleznobrodske Sklo.

The link has me reaching to peel the Glassexport and Chribska labels from my piece (I think not) :lol:

I believe the paper-weights were based on designs by Jelinek.

Regards,

Marcus
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: Tigerchips on May 22, 2006, 05:15:19 PM
Quote from: "David555"
Hi Tiger

The bowl is 6" diam, 1" high - but I am sure I have seen smaller and larger ones


A shot in the dark here, but, any chance of this bowl being made by Sowerby, Davidsons or Jobling? It's just that when I placed my amber bowl next to an amber Sowerby bowl the colour matched exactly. This kind of blue colour on your bowl was used by both Jobling and Davidsons, not sure about Sowerby though.

I probably soud silly as the design does not remind me of any of these glass companies.  :oops:

I noticed also that the glass was very good quality.
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: paradisetrader on May 23, 2006, 05:25:26 PM
Tiger
Both colors were used by a wide variety of companies.
I'm inclined to go with Ivo's Oiva Toikka attribution pro tem, otherwise iittala.

Adam & others
Quote
Beautiful Sklo Union Paperweight in neodymium with bubbles perfectly balanced & as good as any piece of Caithness. 3.6” high and almost bullet shaped it has a yellow Sklo label.

To note and clarify:
As mentionned in other topics Marcus has noted that the Bohemia label was used on the products of factories NOT part of Sklo Union as well.

Neither ZBS nor Chribska were part of Sklo Union.

(PS don't feel bad ....I'm only one step ahead of you on this complex subject)
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: Anne E.B. on May 23, 2006, 08:48:38 PM
Quote from: "paradisetrader"

(PS don't feel bad ....I'm only one step ahead of you on this complex subject)


Peter, If I were only one step behind you, I would be thrilled to bits, believe me :P  
I'm talking light years behind, not steps :lol:(http://www.smileys.ws/smls/sport/00000011.gif)
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: David555 on May 23, 2006, 08:55:19 PM
Good point Peter, my fault - Marcus pointed this out in a recent thread.

So it was used as an export label for Sklo (sometimes you get the factory label as well) and how many other Czech factories?

I only just recieved a good p/w Czech glass book and cannot easily find information refernce this.

Thanks


Adam
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: Sklounion on May 23, 2006, 09:33:59 PM
Adam,
Following the nationalisation of all Czech and Slovak glass companies, export relations were put into the hands of two organisations, Skloexport, offices in Liberec and Prague (better known in the West as Glassexport) and Jablonex, (offices in Jablonec,) charged with the export of beads, and costume jewellery manufactured in and around Jablonec nad Nisou.

Confusion arises immediately, when Jablonec-produced ashtrays, carry Glassexport labels.

So it is perhaps easier to say whose glass did not carry Glassexport labels (ie; Bohemia Glass/ Bohemia Crystal, Made in Czechoslovakia.)

NO factory based in the Slovak region carried this label.

For the rest, which did:
Exbor,
Egermann,
Harrachov,
Borske Sklo,
Bohemia Podebrady,
Borocrystal,
Zeleznobrodske Sklo (ZBS)
Karlovarske Sklo Moser,
Crystalex,
Cesky Kristal,
Kvetna,
Moravske Sklarny,
Sklo Union (all four production units)
Chribska.
Inwald.
VUUS,
Jablonecke Sklo.

Note that it is entirely possible that the Glassexport label may also appear on glass from Skrdlovice, and other small series glass artwork.

Any label attributable to Sklo Union carries the old Inwald crossed Js.

Please, for new-comers sakes, sklo in Czech means glass, so to use the word alone, can be confusing. If anyone means Sklo Union, please use the complete term to refer to that organisation. Not all readers who arrive here will have sufficient knowledge to realise what is being referred to.

regards,

Marcus
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: David555 on May 23, 2006, 09:54:42 PM
Fantastic Marcus

Thanks as always :D  :D  :D

Adam P
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: Tigerchips on May 23, 2006, 10:04:33 PM
Quote from: "paradisetrader"
Tiger
Both colors were used by a wide variety of companies.
I'm inclined to go with Ivo's Oiva Toikka attribution pro tem, otherwise iittala.


Ooops, sorry, I missed Ivo's attribution.  :oops:
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: robbo on May 24, 2006, 07:09:03 AM
Quote from: "Tigerchips"
Quote from: "paradisetrader"
Tiger
Both colors were used by a wide variety of companies.
I'm inclined to go with Ivo's Oiva Toikka attribution pro tem, otherwise iittala.


Ooops, sorry, I missed Ivo's attribution.  :oops:


The range the turquoise bowl is from is called Kastehelmi (translates roughly as 'Dewdrop'), originally designed 1964 by Toikka for Nuutajärvi. It had a long production period, I'm not sure until when, comprising various bowls, plates, coasters, candleholders, cups etc. Produced in many different colours—the blue colour shown, clear, amber, dark green, grey and others.

I've never seen any with Iittala stickers, which would date them post circa 1992, from when Nuutajärvi glass was marketed as Iittala.
There's a candleholder/vase in my album
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1306
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: David555 on May 24, 2006, 11:09:56 AM
Thanks Robbo

That is excellent information

Adam P
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: paradisetrader on May 24, 2006, 12:21:59 PM
Item #7
I have a similar item ...at least it looks like it belongs to the same series. Terry also has one.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/avalonsmile/Sell%20Avalon/TRoseypinkandbluewithbubbles.jpg)
 I have it in my mind that these were made at Harrachov but not sure where I got that idea from.
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: Ivo on May 24, 2006, 12:32:35 PM
I have 2 scallop shaped ones which were identified by Paul as probably Seguso.
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: paradisetrader on May 24, 2006, 01:15:07 PM
Aaaaaah Seguso ....always a good standby
Sorry but I've lived with this one for several years, it's not happy anywhere near any of my Murano and insists on being alone if not with it's known Czech friends.

I fully expect it to do a Czech peasant jig to strains of the balalaika any moment now. Seriously, I am as sure as I can possibly be without "proof".
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: Sklounion on May 24, 2006, 04:45:48 PM
Hi,
Peter, did you not buy an example of  Harrachov "controlled bubble" work some time ago? Does this seem right in comparison to that piece? Yes I know scale is different, but it is always difficult to be definitive about some of these items.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: paradisetrader on May 24, 2006, 05:08:30 PM
Now when exactly did you plant that spy camera in my flat ?

Yes, I did and I do and I got it out this morning - a paperweight (incidentally with a Bohemia stethoscope label  :roll: )  

I was going to mention it and changed my mind as there seemed little connection apart from the exactness of the bubblework which is remarkable.

I had thought that the bubbles where an order of magnitude smaller in the papweeight but didn't pick up Boris the ashtray and therefore failed to take account of his magnification effects.  Now, viewed from below I see that Boris's bubbles are only a few microns larger.

So yes this is one of the reasons I think it's Harrachov.

As to the color combo, it bears an uncanny resemblance to this labelled Skrdlovice currently residing in Iowa.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/avalonsmile/GMB/TCzech.jpg)
and a combo rarely if ever seen in Murano.
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: David555 on May 24, 2006, 05:14:04 PM
Hi

Interesting Peter, I would say you have my pieces Mother (or Father LOL).

I have no conclusive proof of mine being Czech either, but it just feels Czech - something about the quality of the glass and the very precise nature of the bubble grid.

Ref the blue bowl - thanks Ivo & Tiger.

It is part of a large range as suggested, first designed in 1964 by Toikka for Nuttarjarvi (L Jackson 20th C Factory Glass pp148 - called 'Dew Drop')

The design is given a whole page in 'Il Vetro Progettato - Electa 2000 pp206. Although in Italian I can make out the design is called 'Kastehelmi' the brief text states that production stopped at Nuttarjarvi in 1970. It doesn't give any clues as to which of the Finnish factories continued production. I know it is now made in multi colours by Iittala, even in two tone, pictures are shown of what I think is the original clear glass version and the now more colourful variety.

My piece is modern- I should look at my books more LOL


Thanks

Adam P
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 29, 2006, 03:19:46 PM
Just to throw another nailhead bubble ashtray into the equation. This one is blue on amber and is 8.5 cm at its widest. It has a ground but not polished base with a lot of wear. Bubbles are spaced at about 5 mm. Click on pic to enlarge
(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0395.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0395.jpg)
Title: Some New P/W Czech (Sklo) Buys
Post by: paradisetrader on May 29, 2006, 09:18:41 PM
Thanks Christine
There are differences however........
1) This one is a more standard Murano shape
2) The amber is a straightforward amber rather than the pinkish / rose amber of mine and Adam's.
3) I cant really compare the size of the bubbles from a photo but just to note that then ones in mine are really tiny - pinhead rather than nailhead size.
4) Finally the bubbles here are ranked square rather than diamond and swirling in mine.
5) The un-polished base is worrying & usually a sign of Chinese or A.N. Other Country (ie neither Murano, nor Czech, nor Scandi, nor UK nor USA) make.