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Title: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Sue C on September 26, 2010, 02:34:24 PM
Thought this piec would be of interest to someone, not the same as the Jitka Forejtove figure but i would say definately inspired by, maybe you have seen these before?
Title: Re: ITALIAN JITKA FOREJTOVA
Post by: Max on September 26, 2010, 07:30:01 PM
Oh good grief, it is quite similar, isn't it?   >:(

Title: Re: ITALIAN JITKA FOREJTOVA
Post by: Jindra8526 on September 26, 2010, 09:33:58 PM
I have seen it at eBay already. Original Forejtova looks a bit different.
The question is who was the first, and I am unable to answer this question. Forejtova had designed mainly in pottery, also this piece had been designed in pottery.

More about Forejtova here:
http://www.intergalerie.cz/

Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
Title: Re: ITALIAN JITKA FOREJTOVA
Post by: Anne on September 26, 2010, 09:37:19 PM
Didn't Marcus mention these way back when sometime? I'll have a search of the board.
Title: Re: ITALIAN JITKA FOREJTOVA
Post by: Jindra8526 on September 26, 2010, 09:42:51 PM
Marcus had the suspiction that some pieces originaly designed in glass had been replicated in pottery.
In this case it is reverse order. Pottery piece had been transfered to glass.

Anyway, Marcus suspiction was confirmed by Mr. Urban, he told me this summer that it was marketing strategy of directors, some Slo Union designes had been sold to Germany for pottery production. So no robbery but just clear bussines of factory bosses.

Jindrich
Title: Re: ITALIAN JITKA FOREJTOVA
Post by: Sue C on September 26, 2010, 09:43:36 PM
Hi Jindrich, i did say "inspired"  but if the label fall's off ?? i know they are not the same, i just think if someone ask's if they have a  Firejtova piece we can look at this one and compare
Anne, you are right Marcus did mention this figure and i am sure he said it was a stand alone piece?

OOOppps sorry you replied while i was typing  :kissy:
Title: Re: ITALIAN JITKA FOREJTOVA
Post by: Anne on September 26, 2010, 09:59:26 PM
Found it!
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,8857.0.html
Pic here:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4519
Title: Re: ITALIAN JITKA FOREJTOVA
Post by: Anne on September 26, 2010, 10:17:29 PM
And here's a photo of the Forejtova piece for comparison.

Photo by Simon Bruntnell as used in Sklo Union Art Before Industry: 20th Century Czech Pressed Glass by Marcus Newhall.
[Note: this is not a scan from the book which is in copyright, this is a pre-production digital image used here strictly for reference purposes and may not be copied or used elsewhere.]
Title: Re: ITALIAN JITKA FOREJTOVA
Post by: Sue C on September 27, 2010, 12:16:14 AM
Anne you are a star, so now we know the " IMAGE" is being reproduced in Italy, i just wish we could ask the company why they chose this figure??? (for my own curiosity )
Title: Re: ITALIAN JITKA FOREJTOVA
Post by: Sue C on September 27, 2010, 12:44:44 AM
Forgot to mention!! sorry,   i have had both types of figures in my hands, this one is solid and I will  it call the third type
1st) rounded, smooth, base circular (hollow )
2nd) angular, more pointed, hollow base, base at obtuse angles
3rd) new Italian,  solid base, stand alone figure.

Doe's this make sense?
Title: Re: ITALIAN JITKA FOREJTOVA
Post by: Jindra8526 on September 27, 2010, 07:14:55 AM
Well, all four pieces above is Forejtová :-) but to be sure, I am downloading two other
Note please different quallity of pieces.

Forejtova figure is not very rare here, but complete Forejtova design as cetrepiece with frog and bowl I have seen only in Marcus' collection and in CGR.
Possibly figure will fit to standardised frog, I did not try it yet but I will.

The size should help - my pieces are about 16 cm height and 5.5 cm is maximum diameter of bottom.

Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
Title: Re: ITALIAN JITKA FOREJTOVA
Post by: Pip on September 27, 2010, 09:22:51 AM
Here's mine from my sold archives - the bowl, frog & centrepiece combo in green.

http://www.pips-trip.co.uk/sold-glass-archives/sklo-union-glass-1/showitem-1-SKLO-JITKAFOR.aspx
Title: Re: ITALIAN JITKA FOREJTOVA
Post by: Sue C on September 27, 2010, 09:37:45 AM
Hi Pip, yes i have handled that one, the other more angular ones alway's seem to be in frosted glass for some reason.
This new one seem's to be inspired (good word that  :-X) by the angular one's, i have tried to find a website for kristolcolor but it seem'e it is still under construction, i would like to see their catalogue.
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Sendhandfran on May 07, 2014, 08:29:28 AM
Hi Sue,
Great post.
I have the rounded Jitka figure in the frosted peach colour & just bought one like yours in the same colour, i don't have it yet to compare but they Definitely not by the same hand do you know, they look so alike.
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Sendhandfran on May 07, 2014, 08:33:43 AM
Oops sorry, just seen the label...that helps, lol.
May i ask which came first do you think?
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Sendhandfran on May 07, 2014, 08:35:48 AM
Actual, coincidently, the Jitka figure i have was bought in Italy in the 1970s.
Are you sure they're not Italian?
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 07, 2014, 09:58:11 AM
They appear in Czech catalogues, so unlikely
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Sendhandfran on May 07, 2014, 11:23:35 AM
Thanks Lustrestone.
Are they both Czech do you know? If so, are they by the same hand?
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: rosieposie on May 07, 2014, 11:31:36 AM
I had this one that is hollow and labelled if it is useful for reference.
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 07, 2014, 11:53:53 AM
The CVG lady appears to have much less detail than the original Jitka lady.

It seems to be another case of the Cesare Toso (or not) dogs
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Sendhandfran on May 07, 2014, 12:16:32 PM
I'm more confused than ever now, lol.
So did Italy copy the Jitka figure?
I haven't resized my photos so can't add the one i have here at the moment but here's a link to it.
Could it be CVG Napoli or Sklo Czech??

http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/113716-sklo-union-czech-satinated-fleshy-pink
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Sendhandfran on May 07, 2014, 12:21:55 PM
Rosie, may i ask, you say your clear frosted lady is hollow, is it all hollow or just the base part?
How on earth do you tell the Italian from the Czech ones? In photos they look identical.
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: rosieposie on May 07, 2014, 12:25:32 PM
Not sure now if it was all hollow or just the base and part way up. I wasn't impressed with it so sold it for a pittance!! Not the sort of thing I collect anyway.
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 07, 2014, 12:30:20 PM
Fran, You don't show a good side view but the rough bottom edge makes me wary.
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: rosieposie on May 07, 2014, 12:37:06 PM
I only posted these pictures so there would be a label for reference in the future for others.  It was poorly made and still had all its mould marks....
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Sendhandfran on May 07, 2014, 01:47:00 PM
Rosie, i think its great you posted with the label, its helped me & I'm sure others who are interested. Thank you:)
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: rosieposie on May 08, 2014, 12:06:00 AM
If it helps then mission accomplished. :)
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Sendhandfran on May 09, 2014, 07:24:05 AM
Oh it helps. I think anyone with labelled glass should have an obligation to post it, lol.
Like the Kunsthandwerk vase i posted, if it weren't for the label I'd be non the wiser & wouldn't have posted it or even bought it come to that. But if it helps one person its worth it. I posted the kunsthandwerk vase on another site & it taught someone, who had no idea beforehand, that the same company made glass as well as pottery. They thought the label had added from something else at first.
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: KevinH on May 11, 2014, 07:38:02 PM
Yes, labels help a lot.

But be aware that sometimes labels fall off and then get attached to other items that are not by the company named on the label. Always check for matches in shape, decor etc. before believing an attribution by label alone.
Title: Re: Italian lookalike of the JITKA FOREJTOVA seated female thinker
Post by: Sendhandfran on May 11, 2014, 08:18:16 PM
Hi kevin, yes I'm sure. And I'm sure unscrupulous people deliberately put labels on, take them off or change them. In the case of that vase though another example was found so it seems genuine. I like to get glass with labels if i see them, i think i have 2, and ones quite recent.