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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: Sue C on September 26, 2010, 02:34:24 PM
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Thought this piec would be of interest to someone, not the same as the Jitka Forejtove figure but i would say definately inspired by, maybe you have seen these before?
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Oh good grief, it is quite similar, isn't it? >:(
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I have seen it at eBay already. Original Forejtova looks a bit different.
The question is who was the first, and I am unable to answer this question. Forejtova had designed mainly in pottery, also this piece had been designed in pottery.
More about Forejtova here:
http://www.intergalerie.cz/
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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Didn't Marcus mention these way back when sometime? I'll have a search of the board.
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Marcus had the suspiction that some pieces originaly designed in glass had been replicated in pottery.
In this case it is reverse order. Pottery piece had been transfered to glass.
Anyway, Marcus suspiction was confirmed by Mr. Urban, he told me this summer that it was marketing strategy of directors, some Slo Union designes had been sold to Germany for pottery production. So no robbery but just clear bussines of factory bosses.
Jindrich
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Hi Jindrich, i did say "inspired" but if the label fall's off ?? i know they are not the same, i just think if someone ask's if they have a Firejtova piece we can look at this one and compare
Anne, you are right Marcus did mention this figure and i am sure he said it was a stand alone piece?
OOOppps sorry you replied while i was typing :kissy:
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Found it!
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,8857.0.html
Pic here:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4519
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And here's a photo of the Forejtova piece for comparison.
Photo by Simon Bruntnell as used in Sklo Union Art Before Industry: 20th Century Czech Pressed Glass by Marcus Newhall.
[Note: this is not a scan from the book which is in copyright, this is a pre-production digital image used here strictly for reference purposes and may not be copied or used elsewhere.]
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Anne you are a star, so now we know the " IMAGE" is being reproduced in Italy, i just wish we could ask the company why they chose this figure??? (for my own curiosity )
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Forgot to mention!! sorry, i have had both types of figures in my hands, this one is solid and I will it call the third type
1st) rounded, smooth, base circular (hollow )
2nd) angular, more pointed, hollow base, base at obtuse angles
3rd) new Italian, solid base, stand alone figure.
Doe's this make sense?
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Well, all four pieces above is Forejtová :-) but to be sure, I am downloading two other
Note please different quallity of pieces.
Forejtova figure is not very rare here, but complete Forejtova design as cetrepiece with frog and bowl I have seen only in Marcus' collection and in CGR.
Possibly figure will fit to standardised frog, I did not try it yet but I will.
The size should help - my pieces are about 16 cm height and 5.5 cm is maximum diameter of bottom.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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Here's mine from my sold archives - the bowl, frog & centrepiece combo in green.
http://www.pips-trip.co.uk/sold-glass-archives/sklo-union-glass-1/showitem-1-SKLO-JITKAFOR.aspx
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Hi Pip, yes i have handled that one, the other more angular ones alway's seem to be in frosted glass for some reason.
This new one seem's to be inspired (good word that :-X) by the angular one's, i have tried to find a website for kristolcolor but it seem'e it is still under construction, i would like to see their catalogue.
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Hi Sue,
Great post.
I have the rounded Jitka figure in the frosted peach colour & just bought one like yours in the same colour, i don't have it yet to compare but they Definitely not by the same hand do you know, they look so alike.
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Oops sorry, just seen the label...that helps, lol.
May i ask which came first do you think?
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Actual, coincidently, the Jitka figure i have was bought in Italy in the 1970s.
Are you sure they're not Italian?
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They appear in Czech catalogues, so unlikely
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Thanks Lustrestone.
Are they both Czech do you know? If so, are they by the same hand?
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I had this one that is hollow and labelled if it is useful for reference.
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The CVG lady appears to have much less detail than the original Jitka lady.
It seems to be another case of the Cesare Toso (or not) dogs
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I'm more confused than ever now, lol.
So did Italy copy the Jitka figure?
I haven't resized my photos so can't add the one i have here at the moment but here's a link to it.
Could it be CVG Napoli or Sklo Czech??
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/113716-sklo-union-czech-satinated-fleshy-pink
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Rosie, may i ask, you say your clear frosted lady is hollow, is it all hollow or just the base part?
How on earth do you tell the Italian from the Czech ones? In photos they look identical.
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Not sure now if it was all hollow or just the base and part way up. I wasn't impressed with it so sold it for a pittance!! Not the sort of thing I collect anyway.
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Fran, You don't show a good side view but the rough bottom edge makes me wary.
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I only posted these pictures so there would be a label for reference in the future for others. It was poorly made and still had all its mould marks....
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Rosie, i think its great you posted with the label, its helped me & I'm sure others who are interested. Thank you:)
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If it helps then mission accomplished. :)
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Oh it helps. I think anyone with labelled glass should have an obligation to post it, lol.
Like the Kunsthandwerk vase i posted, if it weren't for the label I'd be non the wiser & wouldn't have posted it or even bought it come to that. But if it helps one person its worth it. I posted the kunsthandwerk vase on another site & it taught someone, who had no idea beforehand, that the same company made glass as well as pottery. They thought the label had added from something else at first.
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Yes, labels help a lot.
But be aware that sometimes labels fall off and then get attached to other items that are not by the company named on the label. Always check for matches in shape, decor etc. before believing an attribution by label alone.
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Hi kevin, yes I'm sure. And I'm sure unscrupulous people deliberately put labels on, take them off or change them. In the case of that vase though another example was found so it seems genuine. I like to get glass with labels if i see them, i think i have 2, and ones quite recent.