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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Pinkspoons on August 17, 2006, 08:13:44 AM
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I recently bought one of these in a charity shop:
AUCTION (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WHITEFRIARS-GLASS-ASHTRAY-AND-PARKER-PEN-STAND_W0QQitemZ130015985531QQihZ003QQcategoryZ64877QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) (I'll update with a photo of the one I actually bought when I have chance to)
It too is missing its pen. So I was wondering if anyone knew the model of pen which should live in it so I can hunt for a replacement?
Also, were there catalogue numbers for these types of commission pieces? It looks like an amalgm of patterns 9151 and 9099.
Finally, when were they made, and who designed them? It's in Arctic Blue, so it's post-1959.
Thanks in advance! :D
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I seem to recall my late uncle having one of these when I was young. The pen was a black one that echoed the shape of the holder and narrowed to a point at the top to mirror the nib end at the bottom. (Not a very good description - sorry - but it is rather hard to describe - even if I can see it quite clearly in my mind!)
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According to Whitefriars.com it was a gold-tipped Parker 51 pen... these are currently retailing at around the £30-40 mark on eBay. :shock:
I think my holder will go pen-less for a while yet!
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Interesting, Nic. That wasn't what he had in his. I wonder if his was a replacement pen rather than the original? In fact, his wasn't a fountain pen either but a ballpoint one.
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The pen you described seems to go with the round paperweight pen-holders WF made for Parker - apparently a special edition of the 51.
I don't know if that edition was also used for the ashtray pen-holder, as I've only found one photograph of a complete one, and that had a common-or-garden 51 pen in it... next to a paperweight one, also with an ordinary 51 in it. So both of the pens could be replacements (I'll probably have to settle for an ordinary one too, eventually).
Also, the info I've gleaned from WF.com would suggest that they all were supplied with ballpoint pens originally.
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According to Whitefriars.com it was a gold-tipped Parker 51 pen... these are currently retailing at around the £30-40 mark on eBay. :shock:
I think my holder will go pen-less for a while yet!
Hurray - picked up a replacement gold pen for £20 today.
Does anyone know who designed the glass, though? I'm guessing at William Wilson... whether that's an educated guess or not is debatable. :lol:
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Hello, just picked up one of these myself, has pen, black with gold end and band where it unscrews pen marked, Parker 51, will post picture when I get round to it.
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Still waiting the pic of yours Nic. The original auction link has expired.
Here's mine (no pen). I would like to know the colour. Designer would be interesting too. I prefer it to the ball / paperweight holder.
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Oh yes, right you are, Pete. I never got around to photographing mine.... it's currently in use as a place to sling my loose change. ;D
I'll see if I can remember to do it next time I've got my equipment set up.
Not sure yours is a WF one, though. Colour and shape don't look like anything I've seen from the factory.
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Oooh, mine is quite different from the one pictured now, sure mine is WF though, will take picture in next couple of days and post.
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They did some with ball point but the best ones had fountain pens with a long gold piece on the end to look a bit like a quill or feather as well as the gold ring and nib ,they are quite ornate . Sorry Pete the one pictured aint W/Fs the wrong shape should be round just like the ashtrays .
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Hi there, I have a Parker 51 pen here that I thought you might wish to see:
Photo A: Parker 51 pen, gold and brown.
Photo B: Parker 51 lid, with arrow ( or *quill* ) design on pen top shirt-clip.
Photo C: "Parker 51" inscribed inside of pen, where pen is re-filled.
Photo D: Some of my other pens that I grabbed here quickly, just FYI: 1). Eagle 14kt, Made in Canada
2). The Conway, 14kt, No.475, London
3). Parker 51 Pen, as shown here
4). Parker Vacumatic, 14kt
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OK thanks I should put it in a separate topic or perhaps post at one of the WF groups to make sure it's not. Finally I know what shape we are talking about ! Come on guys get those pics done !
Mods delete mine if you wish.
Now, with it in front of me I see that the pic colour is off. It should NOT look greenish so I should re-take my pic in any case.
Pete
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Colour's a little off, but it's supposed to be representing Arctic Blue...
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Here is a link to some other pics showing the presentation box....... I will phone tonight and ask what is printed on the label where the pen attaches ...... http://whitefriarsorg.org/mf/index.php?showtopic=489
Regards, Patrick.
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I love the original pens for these sets - shame they don't seem to crop up much, as I want one for mine.
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If you Google "Parker Pen Spares" there are quite a few people who can find what you are looking for. I spoke to someone at Battersea Pens (I think) a year or two ago and he was most helpful. But there is quite a selection to choose from.
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Hi that was my pen set ,the label tells you that there is a separate ball that keeps the magnetism when you pull off the pen holder to pack it away ,most people dont realise it comes apart for storage ,so when you pull the pen and holder off you pop on the metal ball it takes a lot of pulling .JP - I HOPE THIS MAKE SENSE JUST BACK FROM THE PUB
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http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10799
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10798
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10798
Ok everyone, finally got my equipment out too :o I tool some really good pics but they were too big to upload so had to take these. The pen is the parker 51 and I was surprised to find that this method of filling with ink dates from 1948 with parker, I THINK, this is the original pen. There is a website run by someone that knows EVERYTHING, about the parker 51 if you need any info, or parts, will post link next time. By the by, wandering around in the dark with a UV light, as one does of an evening, I discovered the glass has some uranium content too! Cheers, Gill
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Your ashtray WON'T have any uranium, more likely to be manganese, which gives a light green glow rather than a bright green glow.
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Hi Lustrousstone -
So *manganese* = low green glow,
and *Uranium* = very bright green glow. Hmmm - I had never heard of manganese before.Thxs
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Hi, very interesting, never heard of manganese either but it is definately a dull green glow. Also, I heard from the guy who runs the following site, he reckons my pen is probably original.
http://www.parker51.com/
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Just to update this particular thread, I also picked up one of the bases, which I believe is Arctic Blue, but without the holder and the pen. Is there any chance someone has these two parts? I imagine I can pick up the Parker 51, so it's all down to whether the holder is available.
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I am surprised that the Parker 51 is the correct pen for the holder. I have the round paperweight one, in a browny/green colour (definitely not cinnamon) with the original pen, definitely the original pen as it is a family piece. The pen, ball point, is black to match the holder and has a gold band around the middle and a long tapered gold "tip" on the end (the none writing end) with a little bobble. It is a Parker but it's most definitely not the 51 or even a version of it.
As a total aside, when I was little I used to love the "pull the pen off the holder" game... I am glad I didn't damage it!
Fox
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That sounds spot on fox but they did them with several different parker pens , one was rather spectacular with a long quill like gold end piece , i have only ever seen one of those and i live in Whitefriars land .jp
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I think they were the "luxury" model John, I have several of these.