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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: adam20 on January 26, 2012, 08:01:56 PM
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I think this is a Caithness Eagle Dome 1976 - is labelled Caithness engraving to base and is enscribed Caithness Scotland
Thanks Adam
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Correct.
There is also a version with blue base, and the eagle landing (rather than cruising): not in any catalogue, I'm aware of, but several of them have shown up on ebay ... possibly made for the factory shop only.
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Seems to be a rather flatter top than usual - I wonder if it has been repaired? This photo appears to show a more domed top.
Ross
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The two weights seem to be slightly different in shape, rather than a repair to one. It would be interesting to know their max heights and widths, for comparison. Maybe made at different times by different artists?
Regards
Keith
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I have a second weight identical to the one shown except the one pictured has a DC engraver mark. Colin Terris's book only shows a high dome for the 4 different weights in the "Sports Series".
Ross
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I'm pretty sure mine hasn't been repolished. 9.5cm tall - 3.5", 4.8cm diam - 2.25" - approx
Adam
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I remember reading somewhere they were made by Caithness engraving before they had a specific paperweight department ,i have a couple hidden away in their original boxes ..... just found them again one about 8.5 cms x 6 cms width has a blue base 3cms deep and an Eagle type bird or Osprey with a large fish in its claws , the blue obviously represents the water the base is engraved Scotland Caithness in tiny very neat handwriting and a large label Caithness engraving , there is also a hand written label on the base of the box ct 184 . Colin Terris Maybe ?
The other is an Osprey gliding on a thermal over a very dark blue almost black snow capped mountain , similar engraved base and label but the box has a handwritten label just saying OSPREY .This one is 8.5 cms by 7 width . i have had them for very many years , no sign of restoration . As the one Ross has my similar one is also this slightly different shape .
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CT-### in connection with Caithness weights usually refers to the numbers Colin Terris has used in his Charlton catalogue, i.e. they don't mean that Colin Terris was the designer.
CT-184 is "Nativity, Style 1" by Helen MacDonald - something completely different. Most likely boxes were mixed up at some stage (or the number means something completely different). This weight could be the one I mentioned above, however: that the eagle is catching a fish may just not show up on the images I have copied off ebay; of the two I copied, one seems to have been unsigned, the other marked as second (CIIG), which could also mean it was a trial piece (this topic has been discussed here previously). ... If your weight is actually signed Caithness, I would very much appreciate if you could provide images (several views, including the signed base) for ScotlandsGlass.
With Osprey also the box does not (originally) belong to the paperweight: Osprey is a spherical weight with oblique front facet - completely different from Eagle Dome, the weight starting this discussion. No specific designer is listed for Eagle Dome - just Caithness Design Studio. First issued in 1976 it was produced over many years - so some variation in the dome shape wouldn't surprise me at all.
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At a fair the other day I did see almost the same weight but with a Pheasant, and Sandringham also etched into it. Identical to it, but it had a bruise and seller wouldn't move from £25, so it stayed there. I'm assuming that was a special edition given out on a shoot or similar....
Ian
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At a fair the other day I did see almost the same weight but with a Pheasant, and Sandringham also etched into it.
There is one on ebay right now:
http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220936131342
There are others, fitting into the same design, one with a seal, others with equestrian, skiing or mountaineering scenes.
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Cheers Wolf , i did wonder about the boxes as they are such a tight fit , not 1mm to spare at the top and very little at the sides . mine will probably be on ebay this coming week . jp
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Hi Wolf if you want to lift pictures for Scotlands glass they will be on ebay after nine tonight the pictures are not brilliant but the best i could do . one is on already .
i thought if i put this on market place you may not see it , i will delete tomorrow ,or sooner . :X:
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Hi,
Apologies to replying to an older thread, but I have an almost identical paperweight to the one mentioned here, except:
* It has on Eagle anywhere on it;
* The base is not signed, and gives no indication as to who made it
Given that, would anyone be able to guess who made it? I've had a poke around, but haven't found anything. I'd take a photo, but there's not much point.
-- Thomas
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Hi. I had a similar piece. The inner dome was slightly off centre, so I think it was a reject that was not engraved. It did not have CIIG on the base, so I guess it was not sold as a second - just found its way out of the factory.
Alan
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Hi Alan,
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Hi. I had a similar piece. The inner dome was slightly off centre, so I think it was a reject that was not engraved. It did not have CIIG on the base, so I guess it was not sold as a second - just found its way out of the factory.
Alan
Ah, interesting. So are you saying that it would have most likely been made by Caithness anyway? My fiancée and I have only just started to collect paperweights, so we're just finding out what to look out for.
Thanks once again.
Thomas
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Hi Thomas. Probably Caithness...but an image would help settlethe matter!
Alan
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Hello Alan,
Hi Thomas. Probably Caithness...but an image would help settlethe matter!
Alan
Okey-dokey. Here's a few photos of said paperweight, modelled by my fiancée. ;)
Kindly,
Thomas
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Hi Thomas. I am 99.9% sure that will have been made by Caithness. Alan
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Hi Alan,
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Hi Thomas. I am 99.9% sure that will have been made by Caithness. Alan
I'll take those odds, especially given what I've seen so far about that specific paperweight.
Is it common practice for companies such as Caithness to not put their name to items which they have still produced, but are seconds? If that's so, why bother to release them in the first place? How are they sold? If---in this particular case---it's not obviously Caithness, how are such things identified, and what happens to its value as a result. (We're not interested in value usually, but I'm hoping the answer will be interesting. :))
TIA, and thank you for confirming what I'd been reading already. We're starting to really enjoy paperweights. :)
-- Thomas
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It was probably sold through the Caithness factory shop and may or may not have had a label. Because it wasn't engraved, it wasn't truly a second of anything. Caitheness seconds are usually marked CIIG
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Hi Thomas. We don't really discuss values on this Board, but if you bear in mind that some of the simpler first quality signed Caithness pieces do not sell even at 99p on ebay (because there are so many on the market), then that should give you some feel for the value of an unmarked piece. I very much doubt that Caithness released this paperweight - it probably came out of the back door. They are not the only company to sell seconds, but they do mark them clearly CIIG.
Alan