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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on April 07, 2013, 12:34:26 PM
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Does anyone have any information on these type of barrel glass flasks please? or know which books contain information on them? or any links on the net in perhaps German maybe, that I can find information on them? Can't find a lot in English.
the Met Museum have a fairly large collection, I think the link shows them as French, but if you look at individual pieces they are sometimes French or German or Venetian or Spanish. I'm trying to find out a little more information on them. Thank if you have any references.
http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/120000326?rpp=20&pg=1&rndkey=20130407&ft=*&when=A.D.+1600-1800&what=Bottles%7cFlasks&pos=11#fullscreen (http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/120000326?rpp=20&pg=1&rndkey=20130407&ft=*&when=A.D.+1600-1800&what=Bottles%7cFlasks&pos=11#fullscreen)
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have a small reference in one of my books,
"A table flask,usually for brandy,small feet with trailed hoops.Made of Roman glass in the 2nd-4th centuries,clear or coloured in the 17th-18th in Germany,France Venice and Spain,Fassflasche (German) and barralet (Spain)" all I've got. ;D ;D
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thanks Keith -
I have two new words to search now :)
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I've discovered the French word is 'tonnelet' and there is one pictured here
http://www.alafacondevenise.fr/affichage_dyn_objets.php?action=viewobj&gll=1
still in black and white though unfortunately
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Hi, I believe that the Germans call them Scherzgefäss and one can be seen at http://18cglass.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=230. The Germans made all sorts of different shaped decanters in the 18th and 19th centuries - including my favourite zoomorphic form, the pig. The German barrel appears in Andy McConnells's book on decanters. Hope this is of interest.
Neil
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Sorry, to clarify, Scherzgefäss is the generic name for the joke decanters of which the barrel is just one form.
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thank you for looking and for the information, Neil :)
I've found one more that is very similar to the clear one you linked to, also transparent glass with feet and no handles but all blue, sold at Christie's with their date of 17th century. Perhaps the blue glass puts it in the 17th.
I like the zoomorphic ones as well - they made some amazing shapes :)
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I had come across the trick glasses or decanters but does the barrel falls into this category? Christie's did call their blue barrel a Scherzgefass I know and the clear one is as well.
The Getty Museum have the world's only example of a man shaped trick glass (1600's) and the explanation on it, mentions
'These glasses more commonly took the form of a stag, another animal, a horn, a penis, or a boot. '
http://www.getty.edu/art/gettyguide/artObjectDetails?artobj=1197
there is no mention of the barrel flasks. But I suppose they might have been one of the 'novelty' items of the time.
I think they were made in other countries than just Germany.
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AHA!! I've found a multi-coloured one in the Corning in colour
http://www.flickr.com/photos/itinerant_wanderer/3959713073/
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Hi , These small spirit decanters are normally referred to in German as" Schnapsfass "
http://www.auctions-fischer.de/catalogues/online-catalogues/215-european-glass-studio-glass.html?L=1&kategorie=4&artikel=32735&L=1&cHash=3e123a376b
cheers ,
Peter.
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Thanks Peter - amazing what a small change of spelling can do (I've been trying a variety of versions lol) and that has thrown up a few that I hadn't found. It seems the German ones are quite a bit larger than the ones with handles like the one I linked to at the Corning.
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HI ,
A Google image search for schnapshunde shows the animal variety.
cheers ,
Peter.
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Thank you :) they are great fun.
And thanks to everyone for the help.
I've come to the conclusion that I think the piece I'm trying to research is not German.
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HI ,
If we knew what piece you are researching then we might be able to point you in the right direction ,
cheers ,
Peter.
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It hasn't arrived yet Peter...I'm fingers crossed it does arrive to be honest as I'm probably tempting fate talking about it at all.
I bought it thinking it was an Art Nouveau piece of glass as I'd seen something a similar shape (although it was advertised as something different entirely), then accidentally discovered it may not be - I wont really know until it turns up. When (if) it arrives I'll post some pictures.
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Peter I've sent you a message via the board - I don't know if it will arrive though as I'm not sure it is working?
thanks
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HI ,
Received and replied ,
Peter.
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Hi ,
I thought some might like to see a recent arrival , this one is a little larger though at 14 inches and much easier to attribute both in date and to country which is c 1740 and Bohemia ,it has a lovely Zwishengold medalion on one end showing Bacchus ;D
cheers ,
Peter.
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Beautiful! and very sophisticated - I love the Bacchus medallion.
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He does look rather cheerfully sozzled. ;D
Was Bacchus immune to hangovers?
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A new link as the previous met museum link doesn't now show a picture
http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-collection-online/search/186457?rpp=30&pg=10&ft=glass+flask&pos=275
Also I have come across this
[Mod: Link removed as advised by poster that the link went elsewhere. Please see later post for revised link]
The Secular Spirit: Life and Art at the End of the Middle Ages ; The Metropolitan Museum of Art
Produced 1975
Page 47 shows
A tin-glazed and lustred earthenware barrel referred to as a 'refredador'
11 1/2" high and 8 3/4" wide
Valencia (Manises) Spain 16th century
Has spout in the middle and two little handles either side of the spout
I don't think I've found a reference to earthenware barrels from Spain before - I'd been searching France and found one or two from there but nothing from Spain.
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I'm trying the book link again as when I linked above it just goes to a set of books totally unrelated to this link bizarrely - you need to scroll to page 47 once you get through to the linked book.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=C3_LHs0Ck6gC&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=maigelein+allemagne&source=bl&ots=EyV_4Si42w&sig=lflGZ2PsEjB8Oxip9vlVfq6b8hI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAWoVChMIiNn6xcXexwIVD1nbCh0jlgFk#v=onepage&q=maigelein%20allemagne&f=false
and another Met Museum link to one 17th century
http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-collection-online/search/186409
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Have you looked in the Corning Museum archives online, M? There are loads of useful old catalogues there. If you enter the search term in the search box and then leave a space and add pdf after it, it brings back downloadable pdf files which have oodles of info! http://www.cmog.org/research
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oh thank you so much! I look there all the time and hadn't worked out how to access them. Thanks!!!
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Not all their stuff is scanned or in pdf format, but it's great that there is so much that is. I've been trawling through them searching for trinket sets!
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error, sorry wrong picture
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decorated glass barrel referenced as Spanish citing
'Pubblicata in M Gobbi, Venezia e facon de Venise, Venezia 1997 no 21.'
Barrel is a slightly straw/yellowy tinted glass with rigaree vertical bands around it,three in self colour,2 in blue (one at either end), small central spout with blue rim and blue rigaree handles either side of spout. Appears to have a 'knop' at either end,perhaps for hanging?
http://www.cambiaste.com/it/asta-0242/botticella-in-vetro-soffiato-ambra-e-blu-scuro.asp
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