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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: ardy on August 04, 2009, 03:55:16 AM
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I bought this a few weeks ago and would love your opinion on what it is. It is 185mm (7 1/2") high and 150mm (6") wide and it weighs 1080g or 2lb 6oz.
There is a mark on the internal part of the glass that I thought might be an internal chip but it appears on closer inspection to be an imperfection in the moulding. I have tried to show it in the close up photo.
It appears to look a bit like Fratelli Toso but I have seen nothing like this in my searches just some spiral pieces.
Hoping you can throw some light on this piece.
regards to all.
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I hate to say this and hope i am wrong but it looks mega modern . :-X i often am .
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It reminds me of this http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,27764.0.html
No conclusions there yet though.
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Thanks for the ideas. The base of this does show some age and the ground pontil suggests it has been worth that effort. There again it could be my first (but not last) stuff up.
The red collar seems to be a separate piece that has been hot attached to the base.
I do hope that you can id it as I like it a LOT!
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Ardy:
This looks quite sophisticated to me. The spirals are well done, the bottom is nicely and neatly finished, and, the clincher for me, it does look like the top red has been applied separately. That process is called incalmo and is not an easy one, from what I've read. I can't suggest any possible makers; it could be Murano, though it looks later, and I think that there are few current studio glass makers who could make it, which again would make it later. On thinking it through, though, I can't imagine why a studio glass maker wouldn't sign it. TxSilver has a great eye for Murano, I wonder what she thinks.
David
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I trust your eye more with this one, David. It does appear to be incalmo, but there was something about the vase I could not fit into Murano. Maybe it is because it is so perfectly molded and so neatly executed. My guess would be is that if it is Murano, it is a more recent piece. I would say probably not Fratelli Toso, but I am reading to see if others might have an idea.
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Hi, a nice, but contemporary piece. There is an "incalmo" between the red red part and the "spiral" part.
Shape and incalmo remind me a Venini piece called "Colletto", created around the '60s (more or less).
But it had no filigree or canes in spiral.
Davide Fuin made for me some smaller pieces with the same technical features (Incalmo and filigree), but his "touch" on the filigree is better than this (the canes are a little too thick). SO my suggestion would be for good master glassmaker, but not for a top master... Somebody as D'Este, for example...
Sincerely
Alex
www.artofvenice.com (http://www.artofvenice.com)
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A very nicely made contemporary incalmo piece, quite possibly by a studio maker and there is nothing to suggest that it originated in Italy. Just as likely to be American or British. I'm afraid I don't recognise the maker.
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It reminds me of this http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,27764.0.html
No conclusions there yet though.
I can see why you thought it was similar, Christine, but technically the one in this thread is much more difficult to make competently! ;)
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Worth moving to Glass for some more thoughts then...
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Or Australian. Check with some of the studios there.
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I agree with the last posts. Also if it is made with a very classic Venetian technique, there are several good glassmakers producing similar works outside Murano. I have some in USA for example..
Sincerely
Alex
www.artofvenice.com (http://www.artofvenice.com)
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It reminds me a little of some pieces I've seen in galleries by this company/maker, though there's nothing like it on the site.
http://www.svaja.co.uk/index.html
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Hi All - I have just seen another piece of this on ebay offered by a gallery and they claim that it is Citolia Groviglio by Giampaolo Seguso in 1993 and they have a label on it. It has the incalmo top and I believe this is it. :thup:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Seguso-Citola-Groviglio-with-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ150374055554QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2302fdfe82&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Hope you all agree.
Can this post be moved back to Murano?
regards
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Ardy:
I think what the link establishes is that this style of vase was made in Murano in the 1990's. I'm not sure it's made by the Seguso in your link. Alex, from ArtofVenice, would probably be in the best position to provide an answer to that question.
BTW, I'm not diminishing the value of your piece. I've always thought it was a very nice and well made piece. In fact between the two, I like your piece much more.
David
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Thanks David and I agree with what you are saying. Although I also like this, I have a fair few A.Seguso pieces and I know which one I would rather have.
It is just that it all seems so difficult to id these pieces. I have a strong suspicion that this is what I guess it to be. There appears to be too many similarities. I am happy to be proven wrong of course as the correct id is really all that counts.
John Phillip seemed to nail it when he thought it was 'mega modern'.
regards and I think good luck is an essential tail end to any glass hunter?
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Well it appears you were all correct and I was wrong again!!! don't you hate that?
Got an email back from the gallery that sold many G.Seguso pieces and they said (rough summation)"Nice piece but G.Seguso always signs his pieces and if in a limited number they are numbered" they also said "The break in the lines at the pontil suggest not a master, as no master would allow a piece like that to go out under their name"
Seems it remains in the 'Don't bothery well know' group. Clever how the system makes these word changes.