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Title: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: glassaddict on June 23, 2010, 02:52:16 PM
Hi everyone,
Can someone please enlighten me?  Today I found a Bagley Equinox bowl in blue satin in my local charity shop - only problem is  ... it is huge at 13 inches in diameter and about 5 inches high and unfortunately has a huge slither out of the base. :huh:

In Angela's book I only find the 5 inch and 7 inch - is this a fake? a copy?

The lady at the charity shop kindly let me take photo's and measurements so I could show it here. Apologies for the fact it is also filthy.
Many thanks
Hil  :)
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: glassaddict on June 23, 2010, 03:12:42 PM
sorry - Angela's book quotes a 4 and 5 inch bowl (not 5 and 7 inch as I said in my original post)  :pb:

I also note that she says there was a very large bowl made which was used as a lamp. I am guessing that one would have been turned in (not out as this one is).
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 23, 2010, 04:56:53 PM
I think it's an original. If they made a big one for a lamp, they would have made big ones for flowers I think.
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: glassaddict on June 23, 2010, 07:09:36 PM
Thanks for the reply Christine, I am fairly confident that it is original. Pity it is in such a poor state or I would have bought it just for the novelty of owning such a big one!.  I have never seen this size before nor (apart from the reference made in Angela's book) seen this size documented anywhere.

Hil  :)
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 23, 2010, 07:42:24 PM
Dirt is removable with one of the scouring type powders, as it doesn't affect frosted glass.
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: glassaddict on June 23, 2010, 10:15:56 PM
It isn't just the dirt Christine - there is the large slither out of the foot, the wobbly stance, the lack of flower block and plinth ... hey ho!
Unless it is majorly rare I can't justify adding a poorly piece to the already way to many unused perfect pieces  :-[


Hil :)
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: Bernard C on June 24, 2010, 05:34:08 AM
Hil — My 2004 edition of Bowey & Parsons shows on page 77 the trade catalogue illustration for an Andromeda centrepiece set comprising large Equinox bowl, square plinth, block, and Andromeda figurine.   I've had several of these sets through my hands.

At a recent glass fair I had all three Andromeda centrepiece sets on offer.   One was the Equinox set, the second was the Queen's Choice set, and the third the bloom ring set in Crystopal.   It was pleasing to be able to show all three together and complete, and at least two people noticed and made favourable comments!

I've never seen the large Equinox bowl on its own, and I suspect that few, if any, were sold this way.   Lonely bowls are likely to have emerged more recently from the activities of those who collect centrepiece figurines on their own.

Bernard C.  8)

Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 24, 2010, 06:32:51 AM
Page 80 in mine. It doesn't say what size Equinox bowl though and I can't see what there is well enough to say Andromeda is in a block. My designed to be blockless Andromeda would fit in a smaller Equinox
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: Bernard C on June 24, 2010, 06:52:27 AM
...   It doesn't say what size Equinox bowl   ...

Christine — Count the ribs and you will see that it can only be the largest size of Equinox.

Also on the same page in my copy there is the 1953 catalogue illustration for the Andromeda bloom ring.   It is nonsense as it shows Andromeda in a flower block in the centre of the bloom ring.   I suspect a cut and paste job from an earlier illustration.   The Andromeda bloom ring sets I've seen have always had a free-standing Andromeda.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: glassaddict on June 25, 2010, 07:08:31 AM
Thanks Bernard,
Would you clarify something for me please. You say that it has to be large because of the number of ribs. I counted the ribs on the large one and found 8, I have counted the ribs on the small one and also found 8. Can I ask a numpty question and ask you to explain 'ribs' please?

Many thanks
Hil :)
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 25, 2010, 09:45:07 AM
I think the large one has 11 or 12, counting from here. He literally means ribs, raised lines. Think of the turned-in vases where they are more obviously ribs.
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: glassaddict on June 25, 2010, 10:15:46 PM
Thanks Christine,
I will go back to the charity shop and re- count them :)

Hil :)
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: Anne on June 27, 2010, 09:07:06 PM
The CD version of the Bagley book shows the same catalogue image, but Angela's text above it states: "The catalogue picture ...  shows the Bagley 'Equinox' flower bowl with the Bagley 'Andromeda' figurine set into a flower block. " whilst below that catalogue image it states on the catalogue page itself, "FLOWER SET. No. 3061/T L/S 4-PIECE" - does that help at all?
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: quill on July 19, 2010, 12:02:54 AM
...does that help at all?

Er...doesn't help me, Anne, I am rapidly losing the thread, so to speak. 

I thought Bernard was saying that the illustration on p. 80 of Bowery, Parsons was faux, because only the freestanding Andromeda would be used with the bloom ring.

Really makes me miserable, too - I am still learning and must count on interpretations in print.  Heavy sigh. :cry:
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 19, 2010, 06:44:09 AM
He is. You wouldn't have the Andromeda in a block in the ring because you couldn't use the holes in the block and it would look silly. It's not so much faux, as catalogue compilers' ignorance and lack of proofing or "Oh dear, nobody will notice." Pre-digital, making changes was so much more time consuming and expensive.
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: jeanne on June 17, 2011, 12:24:48 PM
Hello all
Read all this with interest as we have been donated a bowl in pale clear green glass that I thought was the Equinox bowl shown on page 100 of Andy McConnell's book. Our bowl is 12" across the outer 'frill' and has 12 of the curved ribs. My query is what is the difference between 'a flower block' and a 'bloom ring'? This bowl has the round clear glass domed insert with holes for the flower stems that my Mum called a 'flower frog'.
Any help gratefully received. The Hospice does very well with glass in general, both in the shops and on ebay. Many of the people who donate or leave items to us are of an age to have been buying first half 20th century new.
Regards
Jeanne
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 17, 2011, 01:25:47 PM
A flower block and a flower frog are generally the same thing: things with holes in. A bloom ring is a polo shaped trough for very short stem flowers. See here (http://www.lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/thumbnails.php?search=bloom&submit=search&album=search&title=on&newer_than=&caption=on&older_than=&keywords=on&type=AND)
Title: Re: Huge Bagley Equinox Bowl
Post by: jeanne on June 17, 2011, 02:01:16 PM
Thankyou very much