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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic, Austria => Topic started by: Tim on February 17, 2010, 03:49:50 PM
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Hi, I found this huge vase in a charity shop. It looks exactly like Frantisek Peceny's Pat. No. 20040, 1960, but is 250mm tall. Marcus's book and data base only list it as 150mm and 200mm. Have I found something unique? Or is this just a run of the mill vase, or am I just wrong?
Any ideas would be most welcome.
Thanks Tim
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Just in case there is any doubt about the size of the vase I have added an image with a ruler next to it.
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Hi...
I thought this was interesting... I was just wondering, is it a Peceny vase? And was it made in three sizes?
Thank you :)
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Unfortunately I'm not at home and I can't check, but I know this particular vase is listed twice in Marcus' Sklo CD. Once as Libochovice, 50s as I recall, unknown maker pattern 959 (I hope I recall this number correctly, otherwise I will rectify it), and once as the Peceny 20040. There is a note under Peceny that this vase is the same as the Libochovice one. It could be that the size 250mm would indicate it's the 959 instead of Peceny's...
I was going to ask eventually if anyone could clarify this situation, but I hadn't gotten round to it yet. Have lots more urgent identifications lined up to post without hogging the board :).
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Marcus said somewhere (possibly on the board a while ago or possibly during a chat we had) that some patterns were made by two different works within the Sklo Union groups - i.e. that one or two sizes were made at one works, and other sizes at another, as a way of spreading the workload across what was a state-controlled industry to keep them all running. Load-balancing, if you like.
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Ah, that would help me too! Since mine was 200mm and listed under both factories, I couldn't choose. This would indicate that I can still assume Peceny was the designer, regardless which factory it came from.
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Yup indeed Astrid. You need to remember that production wasn't seen in terms of each factory being a standalone unit but as being parts of the whole state-owned output then it makes sense.
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Hmmm... :-\
I was asking because in Hi Sklo Lo Sklo, on page 17, Mark Hill identifies this vase as Rosice no.959, designer unknown. It was available in three sizes... I thought that maybe Peceny had been identified as the designer somewhere along the line and I just missed it.
Thank you for the comments!
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It is Rosice 959, Marcus has it in his database as well see the notice at 20040.
I have not find the confirmation of Peceny as a designer of this piece for the meantime.
see Glasrevue 1957/9.
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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Ah, so we still don't know if Peceny was the designer of this vase or not...
Thank you, Jindrich :)
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Marcus says it is Peceny piece. In Glasrevues from 50ties were designer's names published very rarely. Probably Marcus has found attribution in some later resources. I would trust him (conditionaly) :D
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskloslovenskesklo
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Eh, I meant Rosice as well in my posts instead of Libochovice. That will teach me to work from memory instead of waiting till I get home and check...
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Hi, interesting in deed....
all these mentioned have 5 horizontal rows of lenses, but what is mine then:
it is otherwise very similar but has only 4 rows of them. 25 cm high and with a very Sklo union base with well and matt ring.
Also it may seem a bit less widening from base to top in general shape, I think.
I'll add pic later if needed.
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(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o470/pxxu/th_IMG_0050.jpg) (http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o470/pxxu/IMG_0050.jpg)
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o470/pxxu/th_IMG_0051.jpg) (http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o470/pxxu/IMG_0051.jpg)
So, here you are, the pics added. (see my previous message)
I would love to know what this has to do with the 959 Rosice vase of this topic. :huh: ::)
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No, your piece is from Bohemia Podebrady, leaded pressed crystal
Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskoslovenskesklo
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Oh, I thought it felt leaded it is so clear and heavy ! And I was hoping for a reply from you, 'cause I knew you would know, Jindrich! :) I certainly do not mind it not being Rosice or other from Sklo union what I love is knowing the true origin! And in a way I am amused to see how someone may have "borrowed" someone elses design idea? So very similar the designs are in these! :thup:
Thank you so much!!!
:rah:
Ps. btw, in the meantime I found there is one of these on sale in ebay.de, thus wrongly attributed.
PPs. I was learning about Podebrady and got a thought of the time scale - I suppose this vase was produced somewhere in the 60-70's ? At least before the works got merged to Crystalex in 1975?
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I found this on the Pottery and glass forum:
http://potteryandglass.forumandco.com/t1645-rastal-kristall#55616
Best Regards
Emil
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Link is asking for a login Emil.
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Sorry. Anyway, it's a vase like the one px posted with its original box and it's labeled "Rastal". So it doesn't seem to be Podebrady after all.
Best Regards
Emil
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I don't think the picture links require log in and I'm sure Annee won't mind
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=4113&u=12681103
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=4114&u=12681103
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=4115&u=12681103
http://www.rastal.com/html/en/home/startseite.html
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Interesting as I have a 30cm one these languishing unknown in the shop, so now we have a name 'Granada', product code ''06 012" for a 20cm version and a factor Rastal based in Germany. We also have a possible maker of Podebrady... Jindrich do you have a source for the attribution. Must review the piece I listed to see if it is lead, tint looks like soda in pics. LINK
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Forgot to add the link (http://sklo-union-glass.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_images.tpl&product_id=359&category_id=4&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)
I think the one that Christine provides links to is also Soda not lead. No green tint with lead, that is its purpose!