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Title: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: josordoni on April 09, 2008, 01:44:50 PM
I have an Emma bottle, that came with a square decanter stopper, the glass seems the same colour, but has a texture to it that seems more in keeping with an Italian Empoli decanter, rather than a Riihimaen one.  Does the Emma bottle come with a stopper, or has the original owner simply matched it up with one?

Many thanks,
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: Ivo on April 09, 2008, 02:26:39 PM
I have on in green, but no stopper. If your stopper has a plastic thingie, it is probaby Oberglas retromatched; and of course (but you knew that) if it wobbles it has no business on top of Emma.
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: josordoni on April 09, 2008, 02:48:22 PM
Hi Ivo, thanks.  No it doesn't wobble , but to my eye in any case the bottle looks much much better without it, the stopper unbalances the proportion of the whole item.  My gut instinct was that it didn't belong with it at all, and wondered if the auction house that was unpacking and matching the glass had got it wrong, and put it together just on the basis of the colour alone, or if the original owner had put them in together. 

I hadn't seen any Tynell bottles/decanters, only vases, up to now, so just thought it safer to check in case it should have had a stopper, but I am very pleased to hear your one doesn't have one either. 

I am finding lots of Emma vases around, but hardly any in the bottle shape. Is it less common do you know?
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: Bill G on April 09, 2008, 03:52:01 PM
In the book Helena Tynell on page 116 of products designed by the artist in the cataloges of the Riihimaki Glassworks 1949 - 1988 the Emma forms are shown without a stopper.

Bill Geary
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: josordoni on April 09, 2008, 03:55:32 PM
Excellent Bill, most grateful for your help.

Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: karle on April 09, 2008, 06:34:34 PM

hi I'm new to 'joining in' to the message board.

thought i would add that ive seen several Kaappikello (the one with the double circle) as decanters and two with stoppers which match the square stopper in style and i think in texture to the picture of the Emma one on this page.

i have also seen several Emma decanters and one or two with stoppers that match todays picture.

so there are lots around. Ive never bought one as i prefer the vase style and wasn't totally sure of authenticity.

though if i did find one cheap enough i probably would buy it ... just in case.

karle

Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: josordoni on April 09, 2008, 08:01:58 PM
In case it helps, here is a close up of the stopper. 

Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 10, 2008, 09:16:12 AM
Possibly useful thoughts here (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,15907.0.html)
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: josordoni on April 10, 2008, 09:19:34 AM
Oh heck...I had forgotten about that post...

thanks Christine.

Ivo, is yours cased?  Just checked mine and it is amber solid not cased...  :cry:
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: josordoni on April 10, 2008, 09:21:16 AM
In the book Helena Tynell on page 116 of products designed by the artist in the cataloges of the Riihimaki Glassworks 1949 - 1988 the Emma forms are shown without a stopper.

Bill Geary


Bill is it the vase that is shown or the bottle too?  and can you see if this particular form is cased or not, considering the comments in the thread Christine highlighted above?
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: Ivo on April 10, 2008, 10:54:43 AM
solid.
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: josordoni on April 10, 2008, 10:56:11 AM
yes, that is identical (except for the colour of course, your green is lovely btw!) - are you happy that yours is a Riihimaen not a  lookalike?  I will be happy to go with your view.
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: Ivo on April 10, 2008, 12:44:56 PM
If I set it next to my clear Aurinkopullo I see no difference in quality. And the Aurinkopullo I know is genuine. So I have no reason to doubt that Emma is OK.
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: karle on April 10, 2008, 01:39:28 PM


check out ebay Item number: 270225190299

Kaappikello

ive see several of these some with stoppers

k

Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: josordoni on April 10, 2008, 05:05:59 PM


check out ebay Item number: 270225190299

Kaappikello

ive see several of these some with stoppers

k



Hi Karle - I find it very hard to think that the eye of the Finnish designers would allow such a top heavy design as the use of the huge square stopper.  The simple cork stopper of a Swedish schnapps bottle would be much more in keeping.

Also, I tend not to go on eBay identification as I know how many things I see with wrong attribution...I prefer to check it out here, but in this case, there seems to be two strains of thought, one that it is good, one that it isn't.  I can't see much difference in quality between this and the Piironki I have, in particular the mould seams at the sides are almost identical, I would certainly expect this to be Riihimaen, except for the casing question.  The Piironki is cased, this Emma bottle isn't. 
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: karle on April 10, 2008, 05:28:13 PM
i must admit the bottles/ decanters are not pretty compared to the vases.

k

Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 10, 2008, 07:20:09 PM
Della has a blue one, keep scrolling to page 2 (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6097.0.html)

Mod: direct link to page 2  ;)
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6097.20.html
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: Della on April 10, 2008, 10:12:46 PM
Hiya,

Yes I did have a blue Emma bottle  ;D and the Kaappikello, linked to in the post above, is mine also. These have been described as lamp bases and bottle vases. If you go to http://koti.welho.com/jstromb2/catalo_1.htm you will see that these items are there also, even with the stopper (Stella Polaris bottle).

Della
xx
 :)
Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: robert1960 on May 18, 2008, 09:38:48 AM
I finally got round to photographing my decanter with a vase:


Title: Re: Helena Tynell Riihimaen Lasi Emma bottle
Post by: robert1960 on August 02, 2009, 10:51:52 AM
I've now come across an Aurinkopullo sun vase decanter- (I threw the stopper away as it was damaged- but again it was just like the Empoli ones)
The decanter is again uncased, and the quality of Rihiimaen just isn't there..
I'm now certain these pieces from the Country House range were copied and made as decanters, and Italy is my best bet.

REVISED : OK- just clicked the link above and seen the evidence
Mine isn't marked 'made In Italy' - but at least my instincts were right LOL