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Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Anne E.B. on February 01, 2006, 10:13:48 AM
Wow :shock:  take a look :lol:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7385050408
Why can I never find things like this?

Anne E.B. :wink:
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Glen on February 01, 2006, 10:32:14 AM
Hi Anne  :lol:

It would be nice, wouldn't it, if we could all find something as rare as this? But I can tell you (hand on heart) that to find a Rustic Funeral vase (not to mention one with the banding) in the UK is a most unusual event. In fact that is actually the first one I have actually heard of being found in the UK - and I've been collecting and/or researching for 20 or more years now (as well as studying records prior to that). I'm not saying it is the first one to be found here - I'm just saying it's the first one I am aware of.

The Imperial Ripple Funeral does turn up from time to time (but rarely - rarely) and that also is a good find...but not quite as special as this one.

However, take heart. There are other rarities that do turn up in the UK - more often even than in the USA. So you never know...............

Glen
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Della on February 01, 2006, 11:19:43 AM
Oooooooh, maybe I should consider trying to sell my dish.
What an amazing price :!:

Nah.....If I do consider selling, Glen will have first dibs.
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: chuggy on February 01, 2006, 08:28:38 PM
I've got a blue punchbowl and cups in a box in the garage must be time to dig them out and put em on e-bay, the marigold one on Bargain Hunt sold today.
Paul
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Pinkspoons on February 01, 2006, 08:33:58 PM
I saw the one on Bargain Hunt today... "lucky if it gets £5-10"

*shakes head*

...and these antiques "experts" are supposed to know their onion!  :lol:
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: chuggy on February 01, 2006, 08:35:29 PM
I was a bit surprised that rather nice retro vase didn't make a bit more though.
Paul
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Tigerchips on February 01, 2006, 09:14:52 PM
The suspence is killing me...

... How much did they get for that onion?
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Pinkspoons on February 01, 2006, 09:56:36 PM
£100 - but the 1960's punch bowl set also included a 1930's vase that the dealer had decided to turn upsidedown and use as a pedestal base for the bowl...  :roll:

Carnival glass isn't usually my 'thing' but I really did like the vase.  :D

And the retro "studio" vase finished at about £15... I think....
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: chuggy on February 01, 2006, 09:58:56 PM
I think it was actually a puchbowl base, but a much earlier one, I know they inverted it and called it a vase, but I'm pretty sure it was a base.
Paul
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Della on February 01, 2006, 10:03:20 PM
Yes Paul, you are right. The stall holder said that he had married the two together, but sometimes people who don't have the bowl, will turn the stand upside down and use it as a vase. I also read that on one of the carnival sites whilst researching my dish.
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: chuggy on February 01, 2006, 10:29:11 PM
Were all punchbowls made with stands?, the blue one in the garagehasn't got a stand, and I think is probably 1960's in date.
Paul
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Pinkspoons on February 01, 2006, 10:33:56 PM
Quote from: "chuggy"
I think it was actually a puchbowl base, but a much earlier one, I know they inverted it and called it a vase, but I'm pretty sure it was a base.
Paul


Aw, well I thought it was nicer as a vase anyway.  :D
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Glen on February 01, 2006, 10:36:57 PM
Well Bargain Hunt certainly managed to get their facts totally mangled regarding that punch set.

The main part was an Indiana "Harvest" punch bowl and 12 cups in Indiana's "Iridescent Gold" colouring. It was made circa 1974 ish...and certainly not the earlier date suggested by either the auctioneer or the "expert". It comprised a punch bowl and 12 cups and the original also had a plastic ladle.

The "base" was the bottom section of an Imperial Glass Co "Fashion" punch set. It was NOT (as the auctioneer incorrectly stated) originally a vase. It was originally sold as the base of a punch set. Made from around 1911, and considered to be Classic Carnival Glass.

The value (in my experience) of the Harvest punch sets varies between around £20 to £50 or so in the UK. I have seen people asking £200 for blue sets, but that really is crazy. Just check them out on eBay and you'll get an idea of their availability and price.

I have a blue Indiana Harvest punch set - and a full set of blue goblets and tall tumblers. I use them! At Carnival parties they are great for serving drinks. I don't display them with my Carnival collection!

The "Fashion" punch base would be more valuable with the top, and the 6 punch cups and original metal hooks. Value of a full set varies between maybe £60 to £120 in the UK. Value of the base alone? Well it depends if you have the rest of the set without a base! Or if you're in dire need of a "vase".  :lol:

Glen
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Della on February 01, 2006, 10:37:17 PM
From what I have read, when they were sold originally, you could buy a  punch bowl set, standard or with stand.
Glen will certainly be able to shed more light on this for you, I am sure.
I bet it looks great in blue :?:
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Glen on February 01, 2006, 10:46:48 PM
I've just seen the several comments and questions above...I was busy writing my screed and didn't spot all those arriving.

There are some punch sets that were actually made with intentional multi-purpose bases. Dugan, for example, made a punch set called "Many Fruits" by collectors, that had a base that "doubles" as a comport. Dugan also made a punch set known as "Stork & Rushes" which did indeed have a base that they marketed as a true vase. It is called "Summer Days".

Now if we look at European Carnival, they went the whole hog with multi-use. Large table centrepieces for fruit were made up of big fruit bowls and bases that were actually other shapes "upturned". In Sowerby catalogs you can see sugar bowls and celery vases used in that way - as indeed you can in Brockwitz catalogs. Brockwitz "Curved Star" pattern has a master bowl with a central ring on the "marie" that fits into the upturned bases of both celeries and sugar bowls!

Vases were used that way too. If you look at my article on Brockwitz "Regina" you will see the vase shown as both a vase (proper) and as the base of a fruit dish set

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Regina.html

I wonder if this thread ought to be in the main "Glass" section? It's engendered some good glass discussion.

Glen
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Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Glen on February 01, 2006, 10:51:00 PM
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Were all punch bowl sets made with stands?

 Well yes, the early Classic USA ones were.

The Indiana "Harvest" ones comprise only the large bowl that stands flat on the surface. NO stand. 12 cups and plastic hooks and a plastic ladle. They were issued in a large squarish cardboard box. It's possible to find them with the box which is rather nice. They are 30 years old now, don't forget. And Indiana is becoming collectible. It is, however, classed as "Contemporary Carnival Glass".

Glen
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Glen on February 01, 2006, 11:20:32 PM
We had a thread last June about a "Fashion" punch base. In it, I posted an old ad that shows the original item. Here it is
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/LEEads2.html

And here's the original thread.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1585.0.html
Glen
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Glen on February 02, 2006, 07:15:26 PM
Actually, I had been wondering why the phone bidder pushed the price up without being there. I wondered if, in fact, he had been told that it was a punch bowl and base, with 12 cups, and the pattern on the bowl was grapes and leaves. He could have envisaged it might be a Classic Carnival Glass, Northwood Grape & Cable Master (Banquet size) punch set.

Just for your interest, a blue one of those (that's the old Carnival G&C Master punch set made by Northwood) sold last weekend at a Florida Convention (SSCGA) for $7,700. At the same Convention, a white one sold for $10,000. There wasn't a marigold set there, but a master (12 cups) would sell in the region of $2000 plus.

Glen
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: chuggy on February 02, 2006, 09:22:50 PM
I'll dig mine out of the garage over the weekend just to check what it is. I bought the bowl and 12 cups for a fiver a few years back and it's lovely full of Pimms in summer.
Paul
Title: 'Rare' Carnival glass vase
Post by: Glen on February 02, 2006, 09:34:15 PM
Probably the Indiana set, Chuggy. They turn up in the UK quite a lot. Chance of coming across a Northwood Grape & Cable Master Punch set in the UK pretty much like winning the Eurolottery  :lol:

Looking forward to hearing what it is. It could be Yoo Hoo.

Glen