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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Ming on June 04, 2011, 04:52:08 PM
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Last week l found this small antique shop in Wales while l stop to spend a penny. On the top shelf l saw this Cobalt Blue vase and my heart nearly stopped. I recognised this vase from one of the 20thc Glass book. It is a Waterford. Its such a lovely cased vase with two fish cut on both sides. I only paid low tens for it. It would cost at least 5 times at auction if it ever turn up.
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Here is the inside view.
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Ming that's gorgeous! I love the Waterford blue cut to clear... my mother has a Waterford blue cut to clear decanter which is fab! :mrgreen:
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Great piece,I presume the Chance glass was in Wales also :cry: :cry:
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Hi,
Despite what is written in a number of books, this is not a Waterford vase. It is however, by Watford Crystal.
It became Waterford through a mistake that wasn't picked up until after printing in Jeanette Hayhurst and my catalogue on British cut glass "Art Deco to Post Modernism, A Legacy of British Art Deco Glass". The mistake is continued in other publications.
Nigel
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Thanks Nigel. But l am surprised this vase was produced by Watford Crystal. It is such a high quality vase and never cross my mind that Watford is the mader.
Nigel. Do you know anything about Watford Crystal? Is the date C1960 about right for this vase?
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Hi Ming i have friend who was a cutter at Watford crystal they bought a lot of blanks from Whitefriars , i will have a word when he comes back from his holiday .
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Thanks. johnphillip.
It would be nice to know. Watford is one of the glass firm not many of us heard off.
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In the aforementioned - very useful ;D ;D - catalogue the caption says:
"Deep Water", vase engraved and cut with swordfish swimming amongst reeds,c1959, 10 1/2 ins. Illustrated in a Waterford advertisement, Pottery & Glass February 1959.
NOTE: The caption was incorrectly written in the rush to get everything ready for printing for the opening of the exhibition. Oh how our errors can follow us around!!
Nigel :)
PS. Some years prior to the exhibition and our research, I sold one as Webb Corbett, reasoning that the form was similar to others found with their mark. Buying in blanks, as John has discussed, is unlikely to have been limited to Whitefriars, but little is known about the detail. N.
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Ooooh that's interesting, Nigel! Mum's is Waterford as it was bought from them by an Irish auntie. It's the same fab blue. We have 2 Watford Glass adverts (not brilliant quality scans though) in GlassGallery but other than those I've not seen much more about them. (They did trinket sets though, hence my interest!)
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-15146
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-15148
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My wife has a very mundane glass vase by Watford - nothing like a interesting as yours but it did get me googling and I came up with these.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-WATFORD-Crystal-Wine-Spirit-Glass-Decanter-/160539646799 which has a most intersting bit embedded.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-WATFORD-Crystal-Wine-Spirit-Glass-Decanter-/160539646799 look at the Watford bit.
Ross
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I did not know that this vase is in Nigel's book until he mentioned it.
The vase in full colour over a whole page in DK collector's Guides -20th Century Glass Page 158 and this is what it described; (Deep water clear and cobalt blue glass cased vase made by Waterford. The body is engraved an cut with swordfish swimming among rising bubbles and water plants c1960 (8.25")
Nigel: The vase you sold was it blue cased as well? Also my vase is only 8.25" high same as above but smaller than 10.5" mentioned in your book. Any comments.
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It became Waterford through a mistake that wasn't picked up until after printing in Jeanette Hayhurst and my catalogue on British cut glass "Art Deco to Post Modernism, A Legacy of British Art Deco Glass". The mistake is continued in other publications.
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Thought you might like to see a Watford Vase & Label
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Funny, I thought that I'd said all that needed to be said on this subject (Deep Water vase), but it seems that I'm wrong! Scratch me too much and afraid I get a tad irascible, especially since the best way to learn is to deduce from the item and/or information that is in front of you :o
Ming perhaps you should be looking at the common denominator between the two references (apart from the glass and the captions) then at least part of your confusion should disappear.......... some, at least, will work out what I am drawing attention to ;) Something that I am trying to be delicate about 8)
I'm afraid that I didn't feel it necessary to qualify what I said: ......I sold one as Webb Corbett, reasoning that the form was similar......
I assumed that it would be understood that it was the same as yours (and not like the clear one in the catalogue), since that is the subject of the thread.
The vases obviously came in two sizes (that we are aware of) 8 1/2 inch and 10 1/2 inch, or are you wondering whether someone has loped 2 inches off your example and the one illustrated in DK??????. It wouldn't surprise me if it came in other flashed colours, but I have no proof of that either (reference, similar shape to Webb Corbett above).
Nigel
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Anne,
Mum's is Waterford as it was bought from them by an Irish auntie
Are you saying what I think you're saying??
Nigel
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I missed Nigel's reply above until a search picked up this topic again just now... Nigel I wasn't disputing you in any way, I was just really confirming that mum's wasn't Watford (it's not the same pattern, in case anyone was wondering). :) And the Irish auntie is an honorary one! :) Pic now attached for reference.
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http://www.glassassociation.co.uk/node/519
Deep Water was at the Glass Association web site with the notice about the Watford Crystal exhibit at the National Glass Fair last February.
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Julie - oh why didn't you look at my Watford biscuit barrel earlier :'( - I gave it away thinking I'd never find a maker, although have to admit I was missing the lid. Do you think if we ask Maurice very, very nicely, he'll part with his (only joking) :). I had a feeling it was a good piece and at least I was almost right with the date.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,51583.msg292550.html#msg292550
P.S. I might go and try to buy it back ;D
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ooopps, sorry - Harbridge, not Watford. :-[
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it's worth adding - whether in defense of 'Art Deco to Post Modernism' or not - that an errata slip was issued, correcting the original error of 'Waterford' - this reads................. Page 37, caption,181:"Deep Water" vase is by WATFORD CRYSTAL, not Waterford.
It's publishing procedure, usually, that these slips are included with original sales of a book, so would assume each booklet included an errata slip when sold.
Of course, in this instance this might not have happened, and slips may have been included only with later copies of the booklet.
This error was corrected at the same time as several others, and just thought I'd mention this as appears Nigel hasn't drawn attention to the the erratum slip putting the matter right.
I'm probably biased, with my interest in C20 cut glass, but am of the opinion that this is a worthwhile and very useful booklet, since the subject is covered only in limited form in the major offerings, such as Miller's for example.........................although there still remains a need for an accurate guide (with date lines) of backstamps for most of these factories, and this was perhaps a missed opportunity by these authors. :)
Of course what we really need is a substantial volume on British cut glass of the C20............. ;)