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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: Otis Orlando on October 28, 2011, 01:44:57 AM
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Crystal cut paperweight in the shape of an owl. Unknown on Whitefriars Site. Unable to find any further leads. Approx. 5cm in height and 7cm Dia.
Can anyone assist please. Thanks ::)
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No idea who made it, sorry Otis. By the way I really like it I would have bought it too. :thup:
Your thought about Webb might be a good one. I have only seen very simplistic topwindow and 6 side windows cut to clear type work in a gold and a green. But the overlay looks possible.
I also think that Val St Lambert would be worth a try - they make really well finished cut to clear product.
Ross
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Firstly, thanks Anne!!
Hi Ross, Thank you for your reply. I tried the Whitefriars site as a last resort and they too are unsure. I was so excited and still am, that is, in the purchasing of this paperweight, solely because of the colouration, weight, cuts and design. Personally, one of the best paperweights I have ever acquired, regardless of the initial outlay. I only spotted it by off chance, as it was tucked away behind items displayed on a shelf. There was no price tag, so I ended up negotiating a deal. I will most definitely investigate via. Val St Lambert. Any positive leads, I will let you know. I am so intrigued in trying to find out who made it. It is in perfect condition and someone must of put in a considerable amout of time and effort in order to design such a high quality piece. Once again, many thanks for you help.
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Looking at my past posts, I stumbled across this and thought I would bring it out of the darkness with the hope that someone could shed some light onto it. I attempted to carry out some more research, but not having much luck. I must say, having again looked at Val St Lambert glass, I am not entirely sure there is any connection. It's a vey unsusual paperweight, which does raise attention. A considerable amount of work is gone into the design of this paperweight. I am making reference to ground areas and cuts to give that prism effect on the reflection of light through the sky blue tint overlay. I am hoping someone maybe able to recognise and provide answers. Looking at the face of the owl, no side is the same. The paperweight weighs 0.5kg and is very heavy for it's actual size. I appreciate any help but do understand that it is difficult to make identities on all items discovered. Thought I would attach some extra pics in order to assist.
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Hi. My first thought was Val St Lambert, but it might also be from another Belgian factory: Manage.
There is a useful site describing Belgian glass factories here: http://www.hogelandshoeve.nl/index45.html (http://www.hogelandshoeve.nl/index45.html)
Alan
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I've got a wfs owl, it's really quite crude and minimalist; not very well cut.
The "eyes" are supposed to be rough-cut, for the texture, but this ends up overlapping onto the main body in tons of "fleabites" which I originally thought should not be there, but was told this is normal. ???
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I had a similar weight that was cut by Kinver Crystal that I purchased about 25years ago. No idea who actually produced the glass. Mine had a deep red overlay and then cut thru to clear. I think I sold it but may still have it packed away somewhere. My piece had a Kinver Crystal label on it.
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:)
Not a very good pic of a wfs owl. The beak is just a single, vertical elliptical shaped cut, but it's got caught up with reflections.
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Hi Alan, Quite possibly, could be Belgian, but tbh I am still drawn to Webb. Whilst researching I did also try looking at Kinver weights, but not having much luck with that either.
It would be very interesting if you still have the kinver weight, but if your anything like me. It will be like looking for a niddle in a haystack. ;D
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Otis: send me your private e-mail and I'll send you some photos of the Kinver weight that is close. I have problems getting things resized for this group.
Tom
Fuhrman Glass
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I have just been researching Sandwich Glass Works of the 1850's. Their designs do include cut overlay glass and some of pieces do also have the lemon squeeze design. It's just a thought ::).
Ebay Item No. 251615088964 reveals some caithness flash paperweights. Pictures are not great and no pictures to the base area, but could be an avenue I could go down also, then again, surely all Caithness paperweights are marked?
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Hi Otis.
I don't think the seller of the eBay item intends to say they are Caithness pieces (which they are definitely not..). He does not mention that in the description, other than in a pre-filled 'maker' slot, and I think he has just used 'cut and paste' of a previous advert and forgotten to change the maker. I will try and photograph my Manage paperweight and post some images.
Alan
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Fuhrman Glass, I'm going to ask a moderator to remove your email address from your post to save you getting harvested by spammy things!
You can add your own contact address by putting it in the envelope under your name. (put it in your profile).
or, if you muct use your email address, write it with extra spaces, use AT instead of @, say dot instead of .
If you would like to send me images I can resize them for you to post onto the board. :)
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Hi Otis
As promised, here are images of my Belgian paperweight from the Manage factory (c. 1850 to 1930). You will see it is a heavily cut flash overlay in lilac, very much of the style of yours. It is 3 3/8 inch / 84 mm diameter, 2 1/2 inch / 63 mm tall.
Alan
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Firstly I must say thank you for taking the time to post your pics. Appreciated! I very much see what you mean by the similarity Alan. That was mainly my problem. I did not have anything really to compare or conclude mine with. I'm still not sure if conclude is the correct word to use ::), but understand what you mean by the heavily cut overlay. The lemon squeeze base pattern design is also a common feature amongst many glass makers and that too can throw you completely off track. I still have not come across any Belgian paperweight with the same type of pattern design though. But with the information you have provided will hopefully catapult me closer, but that's wishfull thinking when very little is know about the factories ;D.
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Oh! Alan, I found this gem of a paperweight this morning, ruby uranium cut. Belgian as well. It appears to have limited amount of cuts, when compared to mine. Probably an item that was listed on Ebay at some point. No idea what price it would of been listed for though. Looks very similar to mine too in style, do you not think? which would suggest your earlier comments, that it might be Val St Lambert.
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/341921796681785833/
The image design to me does look art deco and in a simplistic geometrical form. The base design on this particular paperweight is star shaped and three dimensional. I am not sure if the rear is the same design as the front shown on display, however, a most beautiful paperweight and wouldn't it be nice, to add to ones collection. ;D.
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I wondered if this bore any resemblance to your paperweight Otis... it is a Ram, and as yours is an owl, I wondered if it might be part of an animal series by Val St Lambert?
http://antiques-collectibles.ecrater.com/p/7178895/val-st-lambert-glass-wiccan#
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Hi Rosie, The picture quality and background used might be the reason for my uncertainly. Not sure where the resemblance is, but want rule out that it could possible be animal series. Even though I am assuming they are crystal, the Seller does not mention this in their description. I just can't see the similarity in quality or design, even though stated, made by St Val Lambert. It is very difficult to attribute my paperweight to any one specific maker, but do feel I am steering close based upon information gathered, however, still awaiting in anticipation of a possible positive i.d. Your help is very much appreciated!