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Title: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: antiquerose123 on June 04, 2011, 07:56:44 PM
 :hi: There:

Bought this about an hour ago for Only .50 cents.  Mind you, it is small -- but it also has a plastic label on it (so I know it is Kosta Boda) -- but it is also signed on the bottom.  Looks like:

Josha Boda ????
and Call ????
__ Eng___ ???
then 89061

The number is all I am really sure what it says.  Color is yellowish and red with kinda a purple handle.  Kinda a *weird color combo*  :huh2:

Any info on it?  Age?  Maker?  What the bottom does say?  What is the glass effect called?  A little lost on this piece, as this is my First Kosta Boda piece here -- but for .50 cents, I guess it is worth it.  Is it rare, or not??  Or anything worthy at all?

Thanks for any help.   :kissy:
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: Ivo on June 04, 2011, 08:00:21 PM
from the collection artistique - miniature versions of the larger vases, late eighties through nineties.  Eng is Eva Englund I think, 89 would be the year.
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: Greg. on June 04, 2011, 08:07:05 PM
Could this be Kjell Engman...?
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: antiquerose123 on June 04, 2011, 08:20:04 PM
Could this be Kjell Engman...?

Thanks for some names to try here.  I just found this one on Fleabay  HERE  (http://cgi.ebay.com/Kosta-Boda-Cancan-Pitcher-Scandinavian-Glass-K-Engman-/390243397763) with a signature......does that Signature *look* like mine ???  I only point to this for the Signature --as the items are different.

I can't tell by the writing, as both are Sloppy.... :pb:



Also as Ivo said *Miniature* is correct.  I forgot to take the size of it -- but in the mean time, I did take a pic of the size of it.....it is small  :spls:
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: Ivo on June 04, 2011, 09:28:59 PM
 :24: :24: :24: fleabay pricing. 
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: chriscooper on June 04, 2011, 10:23:27 PM
Hi Rose pretty sure Greg is right Kjell Engman and Josha Boda Lol is Kosta boda note the 'K' in Kosta and the first letter of the signature? 'K'
Chris :sun:
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: langhaugh on June 05, 2011, 05:59:34 AM
It is indeed Kjell Engman and I think it's one of the "Bon Bon" series.  "Art. Coll." is the Artist Collection, Kosta Boda's more artistic line. The numbers are code:  8 = jug; 90 = year of design (1990).

Nice find, and ridiculously good buy for that money.

Congrats.

David
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: antiquerose123 on June 06, 2011, 02:45:25 AM
Thanks Everyone!!   :kissy: :kissy:

I am happy with this little item with the signature too.   Have not found a larger version of this (if this is a Miniature of the larger version??) .......or just a miniature, period ?? .  I will keep looking now with the other info that you have given me to see what I can find.

Yup, get price for it.  There was a *community garage sale* in our community this weekend.  I only went to a couple about 1/2 block away from my home.  This is were I found this little treasure.

Hi Rose pretty sure Greg is right Kjell Engman and Josha Boda Lol is Kosta boda note the 'K' in Kosta and the first letter of the signature? 'K'
Chris :sun:


I thought it might have said Kosta Boda on the bottom --------- BUT there was just no way that looked like a *K* to me.....neither of them looked like a *K* as in Kosta or in *K* in the name Kjell....just did not look like a *K* at all

 :thud: Thought it looked more like Josha  :spls2: :24: :pb:
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: antiquerose123 on June 10, 2011, 03:42:28 AM
It is indeed Kjell Engman and I think it's one of the "Bon Bon" series.  "Art. Coll." is the Artist Collection, Kosta Boda's more artistic line. The numbers are code:  8 = jug; 90 = year of design (1990).

Nice find, and ridiculously good buy for that money.

Congrats.

David

Thanks -- Question here:  I am not finding on the Net very many examples of this (none) or even any other one in the Artist Collection of different types.  Nor am I finding many Mini ones at all.  Can anyone find some examples for me -- and I am not having any luck.

Are these mini examples *based* upon a real large piece?  As I am not finding any large pieces like this either.... :thud:

As for the Mini like might, since I can not find any examples of this piece -- What would one expect a price to be around?  Only being that I can not find any examples, and this is the first piece of Kosta Boda I have (and signed)

Help  :help: Thanks  :kissy:
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: langhaugh on June 10, 2011, 06:09:01 AM
I'm not sure it would be known as a miniature, just one of a series that came in a variety of sizes.  I know enough about Engman to know that he's been very prolific, but not enough to know how much this piece would be worth. Prices for Engman are highly variable, as you've no doubt noticed. I'm not sure how "exclusive" the Artist Collection was at this time.

David
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: Ivo on June 10, 2011, 06:23:28 AM
I'm not sure how "exclusive" the Artist Collection was at this time.

Not. It was advertised with the slogan "become a collector" and the idea was that the wall cabinet they sold with it would be filled with the miniature versions of the larger Kosta designs.  I think there were around 30 different designs, each priced around 45 Euros.
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: langhaugh on June 10, 2011, 06:39:08 AM
Ivo:

Are there a couple of different uses of the phrase "Artist Collection?"  For example, there is a 2000 catalogue from Kosta Boda entitled "The Artist Collection" that shows the full range of sizes available in their art glass.  At least in this catalogue the phrase doesn't apply to miniatures.  I'm assuming, perhaps wrongly, that the "Art. Coll." on this piece stands for Artist Collection.

David

Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: Ivo on June 10, 2011, 06:43:31 AM
I think artistique collection is not the same as artist collection
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: langhaugh on June 10, 2011, 07:09:21 AM
Ivo:

I agree that  "artistique collection is not the same as artist collection."  Neither is "artistique collection" the same as what you wrote in your first post on this thread, "collection artistique."  That's the source of my question as I didn't see how "Art. Coll." came from "collection artistique." The times I've come across "Art. Coll." on a piece I've assumed it was from "Artist Collection," a term Kosta Boda have used over a number of years.

I'm not trying to be argumentative; I'm trying to find out an answer from someone who i think knows more than me.

David
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: Ivo on June 10, 2011, 08:10:52 AM
it is not greatly helped by the fact my information on the miniatures comes from the French market where these were known as "collection artistique" and signed accordingly. I have three miniature items from this collection, all three signed either in full or as "col art" when there was no room to sign in full. Only one of these is from France, the others were found in Holland.

The Artist collection - as far as I know - is all glass for which a designer is indicated, as opposed to factory design tableware and anonymous items.
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 10, 2011, 08:54:43 AM
http://www.stylendesign.com/modern/G892.html

Here is another miniature, but browsing around I'm not sure that Rose's jug is from the Bon Bon series.
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: Daniel S on June 11, 2011, 09:01:43 AM
it's a mini and several differnt were produced by several artists.

Artist collection(art coll) is just a name for glass with color.
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: langhaugh on June 11, 2011, 04:02:38 PM
I'm not certain about the Bon Bon series, either, but it was the closest in the 2000 Catalogue that I could find. I went and dug out my 1994 Catalogue, and it's not quite there either, although the one in the link provided by Christine is there. (The number on the linked piece is 89060, as the 9 has been read as as 7, which makes no sense).  For me, the colours, the lines on the piece, and the shape that point towards Bon Bon. However, the Bon Bon jugs that are pictured in the 1994 and 2002 catalogues have pouring spouts, not a rim of coloured glass at the mouth.  

The 1994 Catalogues has quite a few small pieces, labelled either mini or miniature that are shown as part of the series.

Daniel:  I think that you're right about "Artist Collection" being partly based on colour, at least to begin with. In the 1986 catalogue there is a separate section near the end of the book headed "Artistic Collection."  All the pieces are by Vallien or Hydman-Vallien. They're described as "a little more adventurous, more avant-garde." By the time of the 2002 catalogue, everything is included in "The Artistic Collection."  Nine of the 41 series shown in the the 2002 "Artist Collection Catalogue" are clear. However the series were categorized in the catalogues, I don't know which ones had "Art. Coll" engraved on the bottom.

It's a lovely little piece whatever, Rose. And the price still can't be beat.

David
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: Daniel S on June 11, 2011, 04:21:36 PM
it's bon bon by the way. 100% sure about that. I have sold several while working at Boda.

Art.coll=That's what all told me while working there.
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: ahremck on June 11, 2011, 05:32:47 PM
From pages 280 & 281 of the Kosta Boda Book of Glass of 1986 :-

"The Artist Collection....Part of the main collection, these pieces are more adventurous, more avant-garde.  This is fantasy glass created by Bertil Vallien and Ulrica Hydman-Vallien.  It is spun from nature images, earth textures, sunset colors.  And it is a collection that can only improve with age"  There followed 12 ranges designed by BV or UHV or both, of which 27 pieces are described as miniatures plus 18 paperweights which one could describe as miniature compared to other pieces.

There is no way that it is restricted to coloured pieces.  Kjell Engman for instance had May, October, November & Nordic collections.  Monica Backstrom had Lamps & Zelda collections.  Bertil Vallien had the Rainbow collection.  All of these were either surface treated or coated in clear glass - but fully opaque.  None were part of the Artist Collection.  No mention of Bon Bon.

By 1992 the Artist Collection consisted of 22 ranges by 6 designers.  Your piece is described as follows "Bon Bon - Mini Bottle  Yellow/Orange 1/Box H: 4 3/4"  118mm   89061"  and it was handmade designed by Kjell Engman.

By 1998 the Artist Collection no longer existed in the 1998 Book, and neither was your bottle.

A final comment.  It seems that Bertil Vallien may have brought the idea of an Artist Collection over from Boda when the merger took place.  See phots of a small vase that at a later date would be "Antikva" one of the Artist Collections in the 1986 book.

Ross
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: Daniel S on June 11, 2011, 05:46:08 PM
they then called it artist choice. I sold piece after 1998 that was signed art coll, no question about that. A book is just a book, i actually worked there(at/in Boda).

Hey it's not rocket sience.

Kosta and Boda merged long before 1986.

But who cares, it's a nice standard production piece either way.
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: langhaugh on June 11, 2011, 06:41:24 PM
Ross:

The term "The Artist Collection" did exist in 2002 as the catalogue that year had that name, as I've pointed out.  However, I agree with Daniel that it's not a big point. Artist Collection is a successful marketing strategy that grew from a few lines to all the lines. Lines that were excluded from "The Artict Collection" in 1986 were included in 2002. The term always denotes a production line. Kosta Boda used different terms for individual pieces or pieces made as part of a very limited series, as is shown in Kosta 250.

David

Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: Ivo on June 11, 2011, 07:28:38 PM
Magazine ad circa 1990
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: grahamhawkins53 on February 24, 2013, 05:20:52 PM
Hello everyone, I have just registered and my first post is regarding these miniatures from the artist collection. I have recently found one of these tiny treasures, mine is signed Kosta Boda, artist coll, K Engman, 89060.
It is a tiny jug in peachy orange body, clear base/foot and blue (lined) top with lip and has a small yellow handle.
Picture to follow if anyone would like to see it.
I note that it is not included in the photos of the 'Collection Artistique'  earlier in this thread.
Was wondering if anyone has any previous sales of these?
Thank you,
Regards,
Graham.
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: langhaugh on February 24, 2013, 07:02:18 PM
Graham,

Welcome to the GMB.

I think the piece in the photo below is the one you describe. If you're asking how much is it worth, I'm not sure, as prices are all over the place for these, at least in North America. I bought mine along with a little Scarpa for Venini bowl from the 30's for $110 (71 pounds) so hard to say how much it's worth. It's a really well done and beautiful little piece that my wife seized immediately for her room.

David

Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: grahamhawkins53 on February 25, 2013, 04:29:34 PM
Thanks David,
mine is a different colourway, now attached a picture, see below.
Not too worried about the price really it came to me as a bargain.
I really like it especially the fine blue lines, not sure how they do this?
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: grahamhawkins53 on February 25, 2013, 04:35:54 PM
Oh now I see them together I see that they are totally different!
As for the signature I now add a photo of the base showing the engraved text.
I hope members will find this an interesting addition to this thread.
Regards,
Graham.
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: langhaugh on February 25, 2013, 05:41:27 PM
They are different, although you can see the family resemblance. I misread the number on the bottom of mine, I think. What I at first took to be a "0" could well be a "7," making the piece 89067, designed same year as yours, 1989, but 7 pieces later.

I'm always happy to look at good pieces, as I think most members are, so thanks for posting.


David

Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: antiquerose123 on February 25, 2013, 07:27:29 PM
Mine is still a piece of Kosta Boda right, and the signature is right/good for it?

It is a correct piece right?  As it is the only KB piece I have here.  Like I said, when I saw was signed and they only wanted .50 cents for it -- I had to grab it -- and post it here to see if correct.

Still have not found any pieces like it - and there has to be more somewhere in Tinkernet World,,,,lol

Thanks
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: ahremck on February 26, 2013, 12:11:52 AM
Just a point of clarification re the number 89067.

8 = the type of piece(eg. a vase) - unfortunately my Kosta Boda books are packed prior to my move later in the year so I can't be sure what the 8 actually represents.

90 = Year it was designed - ie. 1990

67 = is presumably the 67th design for the year but I don't know whether that is an overall design number for all types of glass, or if it is specific to 890 type items

Ross
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: ahremck on February 26, 2013, 12:31:33 AM
By the way Rose I meant to say it is most definitely marked as Kosta Boda and for that money it would have joined the 75 other pieces of Kosta/Boda/Kosta Boda glass I already own.  By the way, the numbering system seems to have come in about the time of the merger.  Before that pieces seem to have the artist name or their initials followed by a design number.
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: ahremck on February 26, 2013, 12:35:20 AM
Ooops, the Bubble Sculpture was meant to show the base signature - I am trying again.

Ross
Title: Re: Kosta Boda -- Signed ???
Post by: langhaugh on February 26, 2013, 01:52:27 AM
Ross is right in his interpretation of the numbering.  I should check my memory before posting. 8 is a decanter, btw, although I would hate to depend on decanters of those dimensions for a drink.  The five number system dates from the early 1970's. There were several cooperative ventures, mergers, and takeovers in the 70's. They changed to a seven number system in 2002. 

David