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Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on March 19, 2006, 10:54:44 PM
:? I am getting myself very confused trying to find out the maker of these very heavy tumblers.They weigh  just short of 1lb each.(approx 14oz) Whitefirars, Iitala or who? There are 4 ?whiskey tumblers and 4 different colours, Smoke, Orange, blue and Amber. Each measure 3½ inches tall. Thanks for any help anyone can give
Below is a pic of just one
http://au.geocities.com/jettique/retro_whisky_tumbler_3.jpg

Julie
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: Della on March 19, 2006, 11:04:53 PM
Hi Julie,

I have one in red, but taller.
Maker, Ingridglass, Germany (?)................well mine is anyhow.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-1303
Really heavy too.
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on March 19, 2006, 11:27:21 PM
Hi Della That was quick. :o Thanks for that.  :)
I was off getting more pics, decided maybe just the one pic wouldn't be enough.So took on of the base and one looking down inside.
http://au.geocities.com/jettique/retro_whisky_tumbler_4.jpg
http://au.geocities.com/jettique/retro_whisky_tumbler_5.jpg
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: Max on March 20, 2006, 12:33:58 AM
Hi JC

I would definitely put your glasses onto www.whitefriars.com.  It's possible they come from the Glacier range, but coloured glasses in that range are as rare as hens teeth and I really don't know much about them.

For instance, I'm not even sure the coloured range was cased* as yours is.  But the bark effect on yours does seem to stop short of the upper rim, so it's worth a punt showing them to experts on www.whitefriars.com as I said.  

They might want to see the other colours you have...  :?:

*cased means has a clear glass 'wrapper' ie it isn't solid red right down to the bottom.  :wink:
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on March 20, 2006, 03:35:44 AM
HI Max, thanks  I have done as you suggested.I went round and round circles for awhile trying to work out how to post over there, but think I got it worked out and posted in the correct place.
Julie
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on March 20, 2006, 04:43:42 AM
Have a look at ths auction of A Whitefriars Catalogue.Pic there with the Decanter looks very much like my tumblers. but I will wait and see what the verdict is over on the Whitefriars site.:D
Julie
http://cgi.ebay.com/Whitefriars-Glacier-Tableware-leaflet-pdf_W0QQitemZ7398257803QQcategoryZ64877QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: Della on March 20, 2006, 07:30:06 AM
Hi Julie,

Yours has a totally different base to mine and the glass on yours is a lot thinner.

Maybe you have found some hens teeth.   :D  :D
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on March 20, 2006, 09:44:58 PM
OH Della, wouldn't it be lovely if I have :D
I have one vote, for yes, over on the Whitefriars site.So is looking good at this stage.But I won't get too excited yet, will wait and see.
Julie
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: robbo on March 21, 2006, 11:12:15 AM
Hi Julie,
I don't know if it's a help, but here are some pictures of two clear ones I have.
Side View (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/glacier.jpg)
Base (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10019/glacier_base.jpg)

There are differences between the two - the texture of the left one in the first photo is much "crisper" than the other. I don't know if there is a particular reason, maybe the mould and/or glass was hotter?  :?

Rim width is 82mm, height 92 & 93mm.

Robbo
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: Lustrousstone on March 21, 2006, 11:43:24 AM
I would vote not Whitefriars, as the interior baseline, i.e., between the red and the clear, is curved but the leaflet shows a straight line as do Robbo's glasses
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: Max on March 21, 2006, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: "Lustrousstone"
I would vote not Whitefriars, as the interior baseline, i.e., between the red and the clear, is curved but the leaflet shows a straight line as do Robbo's glasses


I just had exactly the same thought Christine...but hopefully Julie will get a def' yes or no from wf.com
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: vidfletch on March 21, 2006, 05:07:14 PM
These are NOT Whitefriars glasses. They quite often appear described as HARLEQUIN sets. Whitefriars made Harlequin sets of various smooth walled glasses in the early sixties. Quite subdued colours as there were then.

Glasses in the Glacier range did actually come in colours though. In 1970 only, M31 & M32 Whisky Glasses came in Arctic Blue, Twilight and Flint. After that any Glacier glasses only came in Flint apart from 1971 when they also came in Silver!

There were Glacier bowls, fruit dishes and Sundae dishes that came in colours.

M143 bowls and M146 Sundae dishes came in Flint, Silver and Twilight between 1971 to 1973.

In 1974 only, M152 party dishes came in Flint, Kingfisher, Lilac, Sage and Tangerine. These were as colourful as any Glacier item got!

Oh! One more Glacier piece! The Pattern 9822 Whisky Water jug introduced in 1974 came in Kingfisher, Ruby and Flint.

Glasses like yours have been discussed before on the old Whitefriars Yahoo group forum. A few collectors have bought them. It is generally thought that they are machine made where as the Whitefriars Glacier glasses are mould blown. I do not know the manufacturer but they may well be by Ingrid Glashutte of Austria. Hard to say though.

I have also posted this on www.whitefriars.com.

I hope this helps.

Vidfletch
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: Max on March 21, 2006, 05:27:00 PM
Quote
Glasses like yours have been discussed before on the old Whitefriars Yahoo group forum. A few collectors have bought them.


Ah well, at least I'm not the only person that thought they could potentially be WF then.   :wink:
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: vidfletch on March 21, 2006, 05:36:28 PM
They are still nice though!

Vidfletch :D
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on March 22, 2006, 12:18:36 AM
Thank you everyone for your input.I very much appreciate all the effort you have gone to, to help me with my query.
So the consensus says No to Whitefriars, that seems to be the vote on Whitefriars group too, 1 yes and 2 No.
I am enjoying the lesson on Whitefriars too. Not a glass Co,I know much about or one that I have handle very often. I have only   bought  and sold a few items,when label was still in place :lol:  
Julie.
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on March 22, 2006, 02:44:17 AM
uummmm I think I have another litle twist to these tumblers.I have been looking at them everytime I walk past and knew something was niggling at me.Take a look at this pic of the orange and the blue one together.Check out the difference in the base.The blue one does not have that clear section.And as I held and inspected   them more, I realised that the orange one felt heavier then the blue one.Popped them on the scales and I was correct.The Amber, blue and smoke are the same but the orange one looks to me to be a ring in.
What do you think?
(http://au.geocities.com/jettique/whitefriars.jpg)http://
Title: Bark Glasses
Post by: Pinky on March 23, 2006, 02:51:45 AM
......these textured glasses have plagued and baffled me for nigh on 2 years now. Research so far has lead to a conclusion that leans towards the view that 'they're not Whitefriars glasses'. But I can't go the whole hog to a complete negative. A prominent collector has informed me that he has a boxed set of Whitefriars Textured Bark Harlequin Tumblers. Apparently they were made for restaurants or bars etc. However, restaurant/bar staff complained the texture was too thick to get the glasses thoroughly clean. As a result they were made thinner. I hope to be seeing this boxed set in the future to determine size, colour etc. The moulding on the orange example looks first rate - though it's cased in clear this one most closely approximates a Whitefriars whiskey tumbler with BARK (not glacier) moulding (the moulding on the Ingrid glass is not the same if you look carefully - the textured ridges on these are more random as they are in the vases). Others contend that these cannot be Whitefriars tumblers since some of the colours are not factory ones. In some talller versions of the tumblers there are odd lilacs and cases where two colours such as Meadow and Indigo ought not to coincide because they weren't produced during the same periods. Tis a sticky one this Bark tumbler issue and has yet to be resolved. I will post a message here when I know more. Best Regards Pinky
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on March 23, 2006, 09:19:52 AM
Thanks Pinky,  :)
I think these then had better go on the 'for later' shelf till I know a bit more about them.Will look forward to hearing more
 It is all very interesting , though a litle confusing for a novice like me. :? But I am enjoying the learning experience
Julie
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: Max on March 23, 2006, 09:25:55 AM
Thanks for that Pinky.  :)   I can now see what a deeply sticky subject these coloured glasses are.   I think Julie is right to put hers away 'for later', it's exactly what I would do too.

When you eventually see the tumblers that your collector friend owns Pinky, could you put a pic on here for us?  That would be really  fantastic.  :D
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: Pinky on March 23, 2006, 11:38:40 PM
.......when I know more I'll pop up pictures here. Will take some time I'm thinking. Or else we'll be jolly lucky and get a quicker answer::))) Confounded mini-barks!!!! Have heard that a boxed set was also for sale on eBay a long time ago. Perhaps some of you remember. Can't find them in the standard catalogues but then not everything was catalogued (perhaps nor would they be if made for restaurants). Are some copies and some real Whitefriars?...Or none of these?......Good gracious....here I go again round and round in barking-mad circles.....:::))) Will keep you posted. PinkyX.....oh yes a PS...some have a discernible protuberant lip rim - Whitefriars glasses are not normally finished off like this. However the factory did have a gas kiln (see picture in museum of London book) which could have been used to fire the rims (instead of polishing or other) in this manner hence speeding manufacture (which would make sense if the glasses were destined for restaurants and not John Lewis::)). Cogitation, speculation - I know. Definitive answers required.
Title: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on March 24, 2006, 01:00:33 AM
8) I love a good mystery, and can't wait to read the ending on this one.
Give a yell if you want any more pics of mine at different angles or any close ups.I will gladly oblige.
Julie
Title: Re: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on March 10, 2007, 02:03:48 AM
I thought I would bump this topic , to see if anyone can shed more light on these.
Been having a bit of a clean up  and here they are still sitting on the "for later shelf" ;D
TIA Julie
Title: Re: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: Sue C on March 10, 2007, 01:35:03 PM
when i was a kid my mum had these, they were only put out for guests, im almost certain they were Whitefriars harlequin, but i could be wrong :-\
Title: Re: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: Pinky on March 11, 2007, 12:49:36 AM
........we're still looking for the manufacturer of these bark tumblers whether they be Whitefriars or not Whitefriars. The set I'd been hoping to look at were sold before I could get my paws on them I'm afraid. Vidfletch is still looking - we're all still looking.......coo.....what an absolute stinker of a mystery. With one side saying 'aye' they are WF and the other saying 'nay' (both for good reasons - someone's seen a set marked with Italian labels then there's the boxed Whitefriars set....good heavens) can't give a definitive answer - still. I'm wondering whether some were and some weren't.....sigh.....I know.....wondering isn't getting us far.......will keep enquiring....will keep at it and will post if I get news. PinkyX
Title: Re: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on March 11, 2007, 01:18:19 AM
Thank you very much.  :-*
I'll just give them a dust and back on the shelf they go  :) unless I get the urge to list them on eBay.Think I will toy with that idea a little bit more. I have heaps of other stuff I can work on, before these.
Julie
Title: Re: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: Andy on March 13, 2007, 01:25:53 PM
Whislt going through a lovely and i believe quite rare book by Ronald Stennett-Willson
published in 1975, entitled Modern glass, there is a black and white photo of a Bark textured
whisky decanter and bark tumblers,hand made in lead crystal. Photo info reads,
'Designed by G. Baxter and made by Dartington Glass, England'
No mention of sizes or if made in different colours, but there are 2 tumblers shown
in different sizes, and im pretty sure they are just like the ones in the photos.
I think Dartington is a strong possiblity :D
Andy
 8)

Copyright is Ronald Stennett Willson, and publishers Cassell & Collier Macmillan, so i presume i had
better not photo the page! :(
The book is actually mentioned in the latest Millers Glass book, valued at £60, i forgot i had it,
my Dad found it in a charity shop, super photos of early Wedgewood, Mdina, IOW ,Scandinavian,
i will keep it handy i future for reference on the gmb ;)
Title: Re: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: sph@ngw on March 13, 2007, 01:48:38 PM
If it helps Whitefriars did lots of bright orange, but to my knowledge never a reddy orange like yours. They made a nice ruby too, but I would vote not Whitefriars having handled many pieces, known the factory and staff well and having about 50 pieces in my collection.
Title: Re: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: David E on March 14, 2007, 12:51:35 PM
I did sell one WF bark candlestick recently, that had a strange graduated red/orange:

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5628
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5627

Not sure if this is relevant.
Title: Re: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: sph@ngw on March 15, 2007, 12:54:33 PM
Thanks for this! Perhaps I will stary a new thread on ruby glass, but before I put my foot in it, I will read up other old threads on the subject.
The recent International Association of the History of Glass meeting ( Tuesday 6th March)  discussed this briefly and Peter Wren Howard , glass technologist, and Richard Golding of Okra Glass confirmed it is the most difficult of all glass colours to make well.There are four different ways to make ruby.......
Title: Re: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: David E on March 15, 2007, 01:44:07 PM
Stephen, I have thought about starting research into the different bark textures from around the world, but with so many variables I think barking-mad.com would probably be the only web site name that fits the bill! :D
Title: Re: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on March 16, 2007, 10:37:52 AM
 :) Go for it David, I think it's a great idea and I love the title ;D how very fitting
Julie
Title: Re: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: JC on June 28, 2011, 04:17:03 AM
A member on eBay was asking about some textured tumblers on the Glass Chat, which got me to coming back to my original post here. I see my pics from my old server no longer exist. Luckily I still have one pic left of my tumblers. I have uploaded them to yobunny for safe keeping
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10120/normal_whitefriar_glacier_2.jpg
Julie
Title: Re: Very Heavy Bark Textured Colourful Tumblers help
Post by: Chris Harrison on April 20, 2012, 03:47:21 PM
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I would vote not Whitefriars, as the interior baseline, i.e., between the red and the clear, is curved but the leaflet shows a straight line as do Robbo's glasses

A couple of the 6" WF bark vases on my shelf have a curved colour line, so it did happen.