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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Trinket Sets => Topic started by: AlmasAttic on March 10, 2006, 03:47:21 PM
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Hi :)
remember I posted a photo of a pressed green satin glass tray in the thread re the Walther Glas "Mary" candlesticks?
Well, I just bought a complete dresser set that has the same tray!
The seller seemed to believe it was Walther "Flora" ???
But I dont see that on Pamela's site and the only Walther Flora I found on eBay looked somewhat different
Any and all help greatly appreciated in IDing this
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/almasattic/GrnPnldCrvs1.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/almasattic/GrnPnldCrvs2.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/almasattic/GrnPnldCrvs3.jpg
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Cheri,
look what Martin offers as Flora
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7397215617&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Mod: Link dead
I haven't got any of both - so sad I cannot contribute presently :?
but diving into and digging - you may rest assured :wink:
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Martin's powder pot without doubt is PRISMEN
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Martin's whole set is PRISMEN I believe 8)
so still digging for your Flora :wink:
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digged a lot, Cheri! unfortunately no finding :cry:
who says it is definitely 'old world'?
could it be US too? another marriage?
I should be prepared to search further for the boxes, but the candlestick holders seem too strange I'm afraid :roll: :? :(
Is it possible you supply more photos of the boxes, separately bowls and lid please? bases? Thank you Cheri - and I shall not resign then :wink:
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thanks for looking Pamela :)
I guess it could be a "marriage" set but the pieces are just so well matched....my camera is glitching on me and so I shall post a close up of the jar asap
thanks again!
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Martin's whole set is PRISMEN I believe 8)
Ohhh Pamela, I think this is the same as my clear candlesticks that I've been trying to identify for a long time:
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-11
Is Prismen the maker or the pattern name?
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Cheri, is this the same as the pots on your set?
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pos=-45
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Anne
Your clear candlestick holder seems to have another 'ornament' right under the cup? If not, and if strictly like Martin's, it should be WALTHER Prismen (1931, when they issued a catalogue together with Radeberg)
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/00277.html
Prismen is the German plural of PRISMA
also Brockwitz had their PRISMEN pattern, but it is different
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/00994.html
both my above bowls should only give you an idea :)
I am still not sure, whether Martin's tray is really Walther Prismen, but the candle and box are, IMHO
Cheri
Unable so far to find any FLORA pattern in my catalogue copies :cry:
Your tray has an arched rim, Martin's obviously not :evil: :twisted:
But, as pointed out in that MARY thread - and also Glen had contributed in this sense: the tray pattern was made by:
Walther, Brockwitz, Radeberg, Streit, Inwald and even more :?
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Thanks Pamela
well, I guess I am going to just have to list it the way I have the tray(link below)....as pressed satin glass and then state that I am still trying to determine maker and pattern with the help of the experts here.
http://www.trocadero.com/AlmasAttic/items/503145/item503145store.html#item Mod: Link dead
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Anne
Your clear candlestick holder seems to have another 'ornament' right under the cup? If not, and if strictly like Martin's, it should be WALTHER Prismen ...
... Prismen is the German plural of PRISMA ...
... I am still not sure, whether Martin's tray is really Walther Prismen, but the candle and box are, IMHO
Pamela, thank you. Mine doesn't have anything extra below the cup - it looks the same to me as the one you gave as Martin's. My picture isn't very clear - I'll try and get a better one - I think it's the angle that makes it look a little odd. These are the second candlesticks which I ever came by from my collection and I've always loved them.
Thanks also for the info about Prisma / Prismen. I just wish I could get the hang of the German language- it defeats me totally. :(
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Please Anne don't cry!
I do ask here, whenever I do not understand - do not hesitate to always ask Patricia, Della, Frank, Ivo, me... :P
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at last.... here are those pics of the jar that you requested Pamela...
hopefully this may give a clue as to the maker of the set
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/almasattic/GrnPnldCrvsLg1.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/almasattic/GrnPnldCrvsLg2.jpg)
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My pot isn't the same now I can yours more clearly Cheri. Yours has incisions where mine has peaks between the panels.
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fantastic photos, Cheri, thank you!
But I am very sorry, I can neither identify yours nor Anne's :twisted:
the matt finish of your set, Cheri, tells me it is probably not of German Art Déco production :?
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fantastic photos, Cheri, thank you!
But I am very sorry, I can neither identify yours nor Anne's :twisted:
the matt finish of your set, Cheri, tells me it is probably not of German Art Déco production :?
thanks Pamela tho I am puzzled re your comment on the satin finish...I have had Walther Nymphen green items in with this same finish, and the Mary candlesticks have this satinized finish too :?:
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Cheri, I shall have to ask Mr. Mauerhoff when we all meet here Whitsun.
Fact is that all Walther glass I have been able to buy from UK or elsewhere is matt finished and should be 50/60ies production. Only Walther glass bought locally (and it is very few :cry: ) is shiny or at least partly shiny
Best proof for this is my Schmetterling vase in pink and green:
pink : probably pre-WWII
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/vasen/00851.html
green: most certainly after WWII
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/vasen/00851.html
And the 'worst' Walther items are these Fische-bowls: obviously clear glass finished matt pink colour applied:
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/00651.html
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/00642.html
Especially the Möven-centrepiece makes it obvious that it's quite a different quality of glass and colour
But, after all, I do hope the experts like Mr. Mauerhoff will join us in June and give more details on production of pre and after war :shock:
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Pamela, you accidentally posted the pink Schmetterling twice, and not the green one! :o
Please can you say how you can tell whether it's pre or post WWII? And do you think my amber Schmetterling is pre or post war? :o
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Leni, I think both my green and pink one are visible there? If not please inform - could it be my local website then that I see them both in one place?
pre or post war: I can only ask for your patience until Mr. Mauerhoff gave more details on production at that time - it is just my interpreting my glasses so far (always :twisted: )
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Pamela - could it just be that more matte ones were exported and more glossy (shiny) ones were not?
Glen
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very interesting discussion!
these are my green Nymphen candlesticks
(http://images.goantiques.com/dbimages/JRY2375/JRY2375WGC1.jpg)
they are a somewhat paler green than this new set yet still similarly satinized
(all glow under blacklight and so must have uranium content?)
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Glen, that is exactly what I am investigating - let us ask Mauerhoff first please. Just to underline: the glossy 'Berlin' is local purchase, the matt is of UK origin :roll:
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Cheri, Nymphen: these are mine
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/00634.html
mind the base and arms please!
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wow! yes, I have those in blue Pamela
(http://www.almasattic.com/Assets/Images/ArtDeco/CandleSticks/BluNymphenCandle7.jpg)
so are there not TWO different styles of Nymphen candlesticks then?
I just assumed that the green ones were another version of them!
So maybe the green ones are not Walther then?
If not...who????
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Cheri, a mould is a mould - and I do not know whether Walther made different moulds for this Scheiner design - quite frank, I do not think so
:cry:
we should measure our figurines by the "my" to find out really - look at this one: (I am sure it is fake)
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/00666.html
compared with the original:
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/00644.html
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yes, I sure can see the difference in those flower frog figurines!
well thank you again Pamela! I have learned SO MUCH from this discussion :) as always, you are a wealth of information, and thanks for being so generous with your time to share it.
I will post back here if I am able to get any more info on the green dresser set.
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Pamela, DOH! :oops: I just clicked on the links but didn't scroll down! Of course both vases were there! :roll: Sorry! :oops:
Cheri, I had a pair of the 'one arm up and one down' 'Nymphen' candlesticks. I have seen both variations a few times since I sold mine, and have come to feel that it was the 'both arms up' ones which were Walther, and the others 'Czech' :shock:
IMHO the 'one arm down' version are not as pretty as the 'both arms up' :roll: I wonder if you (and Pamela) would agree with my view that Walther ladies tend to be much prettier? On that basis alone I just have a 'gut-feeling' that the 'one arm down' mermaids are not Walther. Their faces certainly aren't as sweet looking as the 'arms up' mermaids, nor the ones on the lids of the powder bowls, and certainly nowhere near as lovely as one on the tray! :shock:
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I have many thoughts, questions and comments with regard to these issues.
1. To the best of my knowledge, the Nymphen candlesticks are not shown in any Walther catalogs that I am aware of.
2. The candlesticks were surely part of the toilette set that Walther made - the tray and covered jar are shown in the known Walther catalogs.
3. Re. the variation on Nymphen candlesticks.... it is surely possible that Walther had more than one mould for what must have been a popular item. The two different styles are known in the typical Walther colors. Possibly one version was a new (easier) model. Sowerby did exactly that with the Covered Swan - made a new mould that was easier to produce. Maybe the "less pretty" Nymphen was a later Walther version.
Don't forget that Walther were making glass to sell. In quantity.
4. I have satin effect items that I can only see in 1930s catalogs from Walther - Marina centerpiece and Nuremberg basket.
5. Many glass companies exported specific colors or patterns to certain areas of the world. Fact.
Just a few thoughts.
Glen