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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: WhatHo! on December 06, 2012, 02:01:09 PM
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Hi Guys, any help would be great.
Its a quality piece, 8 1/2" tall and thick glass which weighs 1.7kgs! The base has polished pontil and has been ground flat. Its has 4 hoops with incised cuts which are in columns. No sig.
I have asked a few glassys and i have had pos Czech, Scandi and Keith Murray S&W, so im at a loss on this one.
Any ideas? TIA Wolfie
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I don't recognise it, but I think it's lovely!
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I'd have said a much more recent production than the Murray period - hoops make me think of Finland. Does it have a lead glass ring?
Had a look through Bill Geary's book, Leslie Pina, Miller's, but not coming up - sorry.
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I have its smaller brother somewhere - just one ring - and I have always assumed it is Polish.
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I haven't seen it before, so I can only speculate. Might be German given the thick clear crystal look, in which case Nachtmann would be my first suspect.
Astrid
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think I'd agree with Astrid's rationale.
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What Ho! I just heard back from Nachtmann and its not one of their designs, any other ideas guys? @Paul S its very thick so it doesn't ring very well but I would say it is lead glass.
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70´s Josephinenhütte might be another option. I already had a ramble though Pamela´s site
Glas-Musterbuch - to no avail unfortunately, but I knew there was some at least remotely similar
stuff there which made me think towards that direction:
http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Josephinenhuette-1970.137+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMzcmcHJvZHVjdElEPTYxNzAmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTM3JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html
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What Ho! I just heard back from Nachtmann and its not one of their designs, any other ideas guys?
Wow, you got Nachtmann to give you any info? How did you accomplish that miracle? I'm sceptic anyone there even knows anything about non-current designs... If it's one of the smaller German companies, it's even more difficult to ever attribute it, there were hunderds of those until the '80s, almost no catalogue info survives.
Astrid
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Hi, i filled in the online form saying that had a vase to ID. A guy wrote back and he ask me to send him the pics and said its wasnt a nachtmann design, easy!
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... Hi, this is just an opinion, however it reminds me very much of the works by John Rocha for Waterford Crystal. It could also be a Preciosa piece, Czech Republic. It certainly appears to be a quality lead crystal. Would you say that it is very heavy in relation to its size? This would also indicate a factory of quality. Check also the cuts into the glass. These should be uniform whilst also displaying slight, subtle differencies if the piece has been wheel cut by hand.
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showing my ignorance here John, I think..........I had assumed that all such decoration would have been wheel cut by hand..........however, do I take it that you are suggesting there is a machanized alternative - thus producing decoration that is too symmetrical and perfect? :)
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... Not at all Paul. The ignorance would be my part, but "faux" wheel cut lead crystal will be moulded and much of it exists. Even items of so-called quality. The lead content of the crystal itself is the best way to determine... Me thinks.
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It is my understanding that lead crystal uses lead oxide as a replacement of the calcium content to the more common and lesser quality potash glass. It is these very modifications which lends itself to the weightiness and the allowance for this glass type to be cut with numerous & desirable decorative features. It has brilliance and will not display a waxy feel or appearance, and its decorative ‘cuts’ will be very obvious and apparent, and at times even sharp-edged to the touch. Vintage cut glass has much left to be researched. Pieces (generally) are seldom signed or maker marked, less it interferes with the overall pattern. Many factories have used decorative elements incorporated within the designs which can often determine the maker. Stars, upon bases for example or criss-crossed patterns within circles or ovals can quite often be the ‘hallmarks’ of a particular factory… This is my understanding. It is not sacrosanct, but please take from it my own observations. ::)
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thanks John, and agree with your comments re lead glass versus potash, also that the cutting from some factories is recognizable by some element of style that is seen in various designs. I think Wolfie has already told us this piece has cut decoration, so no moulding here - I
I still think this has originated from somewhere like Czechoslvakia (one of your suggestions also) or Germany.