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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: carolglass on November 21, 2010, 05:33:05 AM
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Greetings again- this auction # 333554094 on Trade Me.co.nz has come up and I would like some indication of the age, designer and also the glass cutter. Any information would be gratefully received.
Regards Carol
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It looks to me very like a design by Irene Stevens between 1947 and '49. Apparently Irene Stevens liked to use 'polished roundels' . This information comes from Nigel Benson and Jeanette Hayhurst's book, 'Art Deco to Post Modernism, A Legacy of British Art Deco Glass'.
I think you need someone like Nigel or Bernard to identify this one for definite, so I'll leave any further comments to them. Hopefully they'll be along soon :)
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:spls2: Thanks Leni- I did have a vague feeling about Irene Stevens but as I am still in exile in Australia sans books I was not too sure- will wait for Nigel or Bernard if they spot this post. regards Carol
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Hi Carol i have two massive Irene Stevens cut vases they both have very deep cut wavy lines going across the vases as well as the roundels .
At the moment i am having a dinner party so will get back when sober . :kissy: jp >:D Brendan sends his love . :phew:
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comment from Leni......I think you need someone like Nigel or Bernard to identify this one for definite, so I'll leave any further comments to them. Hopefully they'll be along soon .........favouritism, obviously.......I was chided for recommending/naming experts >:D
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I'm not sure I understand your comment, Paul. Would you (or perhaps a moderator) care to explain it? :spls:
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Leni — I can't speak for Nigel, but I don't like being named or recommended as it doesn't leave me a way out. Also I'm one of the minority who doesn't like publicly discussing live online auctions (except in the case of obvious fraud). I don't think it's fair. It also puts me in an awkward position if I want to bid.
I'm a small scale dealer, so many in GMB land are valued customers, suppliers and friends, so I have to be somewhat circumspect about what I write and whether I write it.
Finally, I am constantly amazed that anyone should want to read anything I write. Accordingly I have this old-fashioned view that it should be in the best English I can produce, with correct spelling, grammar, capitalisation, punctuation, word spacing and structure, to make it as easy as possible for the reader. On occasions I've used a subeditor to check complicated pieces. Writing doesn't come easily — I'm a two-finger typist, and a decade of enforced illiteracy early in my career didn't help. So I can have a real problem with the time involved.
I've expressed these sentiments before. I expect this is what Paul is alluding to, unless it was one of the few occasions when I've been misquoted or quoted out of context. (... and that last sentence is just to show you that I can write ungrammatical English without any effort at all) ;D
Bernard C. 8)
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Heh, Heh, Heh.............you can always just ignore it Bernard >:D ;) >:D
Nigel
PS. Nice vase!
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I see. Thank you for explaining, Bernard. I apologise. I'll be sure not to mention your name again :pb:
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Unless I am approached off board to join a discussion I generally ignore any suggestions that I should respond. I respond to a thread if I have something to say.
On the other hand if someone has posted in the thread that someone else should give an opinion then there is a possibility that I will not join at all even if I know the answer.
I have some idea of the knowledge sphere of a handful of GMB members but I do not actually know all of their knowledge sphere. More importantly I do not have a clue about most of the other members range of knowledge. What I do know is that collectively there is a vast amount available here. On the other hand it is perfectly human for someone who knows a little on a subject to recommend those from whom they have learned. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that the GMB is regarded by far too many as an 'exclusive' club, which it really is not but somehow many do have that impression. But it is also a fact that many with expertise acquired through diligent research can be deterred from posting when strong personalities are afoot, or because they are overly humble and prefer not to be seen as 'a source of wisdom'.
Then of course even bringing up these type of subjects causes problems because some will assume they are being attacked for what they have written and react off the cuff... which before you know it has turned into another 'digging' match.
Me I just say what I feel on these issues, been here to long to give a toss what people say or think about me. I share my interests with the world because I care too. I might be right or wrong or somewhere in between - does it matter. (Question mark omitted deliberately)
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johnphillip- would love to see pictures of your vases when you have time to post.
Leni many thanks for your post which appears to have unwittingly caused a ripple.
Bernard I can appreciate your caution in being "named" for the reasons you have explained so well,and Frank your comments are always welcome.
regards Carol
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Since it was my comment that started this, guess I should comment..........
Bernard and Frank - your candour and explanations are refreshing and helpful, even if they come from slightly different directions perhaps. It is true that some respondents can make beginners feel a little overawed and uncertain as to whether to stay. I doesn't require much to be friendly - although I guess that some of the crass questions (and I'm as guilty as any) must make the more experienced wince a little. :)
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Paul said:
......some of the crass questions (and I'm as guilty as any) must make the more experienced wince a little.
Not at all. We (how presumptious of me!!) have all been there and surely remember being in that position ourselves. For that matter, I certainly have constant reminders of how little I know. It's that old expression that goes something like, 'the more you know, you realise the less you know'.
As for the answers by Bernard and Frank I can concur with parts of each! I'd add that there can also be times when the answer is not at my finger tips (and has gone from the memory bank*), and I do not have the time to check it out. Sometimes, when that has occurred, somebody else has supplied the answer and it's not necessary to say anything. Then of course there's the times when you mean to come back to it, but you forget * ::) :huh:
* Often referred to as a seniour moment :-[
Nigel
PS. Nice vase. Oh!.......... said that before *
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I don't mind crass questions, there was a time I had not heard of Art Deco. My sometimes crass answers can irritate though :24:
Pet hates are titles like "What is this glass" or "Can you ID my glass" - only rarely am I tempted to open them...usually plenty more interesting titles to look at. Oh, and questioners who (apparently) don't read the replies they do get.
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Greetings oh helpful ones- the vase under discussion was offered and I treated myself to an early Christmas present but cannot unwrap until I return to NZ, upon which time I will post new photos and re ignite this thread as I realise the single picture in the auction was not enough. I will admit a love of clear glass and nice cutting when it comes down to the wire. Many thanks again, Carol
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Well at last new pictures of this lovely vase now in my hot sticky little hands he he.
Finally unpacked this lovely vase and I was very impressed with the cutting.
It has a circular silver sticker that clearly says " Webb Corbett Finest English Crystal Stourbridge "' it is in good order , no chips or cracks, no other marks or stamps ; quite heavy and is 24 cm high, base 8cm and 13.5cm top.
I now have 20th C British Glass by C Hajdamach and after having a peruse; am a little conflicted as to if it is an Irene Stevens design-so many designers of the period produced designs that were quite similar, the sticker is authentic, I feel.
So with the new pictures can anyone point me towards more information on Irene Stevens or any of the other Webb Corbett designers around at the same time.
regards Carol
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Just spotted this thread again and wanted to say how much I love your vase, Carol! :girlcheer:
As for information about Irene Stevens or any other Webb Corbett designers, do you have Nigel's book yet? It's only small, but it's beautifully formed (as the saying goes ;D ) Other than that I can only think of Hajdamach, which you have already read.
I think it would be nice if we had a section specially for cut glass, as it seems to be of somewhat limited interest to the 'glassies' here at the moment :-\ A separate section would mean questions about cut glass didn't so quickly 'drop off' the bottom of the page!
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Suggestion placed before board Committee.
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Well call me unobservant!! Whilst trying to take a better picture of the base, a faint acid stamp was revealed on the lower edge of the vase-possible this will date is a bit more accurately. Yes Anne the vase is lovely- I have had a good run lately with my purchases.
regards from a picture perfect New Zealand. Carol
P.S remind me again-Nigel's book? Having a guppy moment looking at my beautiful view.
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I find Webb Corbett marks are hard to see too Carol, so don't feel bad! :kissy:
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I think it would be nice if we had a section specially for cut glass, as it seems to be of somewhat limited interest to the 'glassies' here at the moment :-\ A separate section would mean questions about cut glass didn't so quickly 'drop off' the bottom of the page!
Seconded
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Yes great idea . jp