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Title: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: flying free on October 27, 2012, 04:31:56 PM
who made a stained glass window in Cumbria.
I've seen a vase that is apparently by him and it looks very like a Hartley Wood vase to me.  I'm curious.
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Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: antiquerose123 on October 28, 2012, 05:00:00 AM
?? ??

Would this be the same people ??  HERE  (http://www.1818auctioneers.co.uk/sales/lot/43950/92/355/A-1930-s-Art-glass-vase-by-Walmsley--of-purple-striation-design--given-as-21st-birthday-present-in-1937---Walmsley-is-noted-for-his-stained-glass-window-at-Chapel-Stile--Langdale--Cumbria-/)  As that is all I could find

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Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: flying free on October 28, 2012, 10:04:55 AM
Hi Rose
thanks for taking time to look for me  :)
yes, this is what I found and I believe it is a bad photograph of the same vase I am looking at...which for all the world looks like a Hartley Wood vase to me when you see the decor properly without that hideous picture.
I've never heard of Walmsley from the 1930's based in Cumbria though.  I wonder if Hartley Wood made stained glass and it's a mistaken id on the name somewhere down the line?
It didn't occur to me to check
I'll have another look.
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Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: bigbri on October 28, 2012, 11:51:49 AM
hello flying free.......
now your into my field of arts and crafts..........in cumbria.....
walmsley bernard dean (1893-1985)
born in blackburn.......son of Luke walmsley himself a fine art dealer.1st opened a stained glass studio in lytham st annes in i think 1922 until 1929 until he moved with his wife to Chapel Stile in Langdale where they opened a new studio designing stained glass windows and vases and plaques all which (vases and plaques) were made at and by Hartley Wood and co Sunderland.............ref the arts and crafts movement in the northwest of england........
Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: flying free on October 28, 2012, 11:59:47 AM
 :-*  :D  :D
wow, how bizarre that I got that link in my head without knowing.
Thanks so much for your information.  I can't believe I got that - realising it was made at Hartley Wood.
Lancs is my family area  ;D
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Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 28, 2012, 03:28:40 PM
And here are the Chapel Style windows http://www.visitcumbria.com/amb/great-langdale-holy-trinity-church/
Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: Anne on October 28, 2012, 06:57:07 PM
The window is very beautiful, I remember seeing it when I did a stand at a show up there many years ago. The bunnies are very sweet!
Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: flying free on February 02, 2013, 05:05:01 PM
I tracked this vase down in the end and bought it   ;D
I've been looking for an original 30s Hartley Wood in their Antique range to add to my 30s collection.  This one is huge at  11 1/2" tall by 4 1/2" wide and is triangular ish in shape and very organic.
It looks nothing like the picture in the ad - their shot was terrible.
The link to the original auction with info is here as Rose linked to above  - the vase was designed by Dean Walmsley to be given as a birthday present in 1937, and was made for Walmsley by Hartley Wood.
http://www.1818auctioneers.co.uk/sales/lot/43950/92/355/A-1930-s-Art-glass-vase-by-Walmsley--of-purple-striation-design--given-as-21st-birthday-present-in-1937---Walmsley-is-noted-for-his-stained-glass-window-at-Chapel-Stile--Langdale--Cumbria-/
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Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 02, 2013, 05:13:55 PM
Nice one M  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: flying free on February 02, 2013, 05:17:57 PM
thanks :) I just added some more pics to show the colours
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Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 02, 2013, 06:03:24 PM
Lovely, lovely lovely!

All rainbows and wonkiness, my favourite things.  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: flying free on February 02, 2013, 09:40:01 PM
thanks  :)
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Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: Tommy_Briggs on April 11, 2017, 07:48:14 AM

In 1963 I was on an outdoor school trip to the Lake District.
En route to our accommodation in Chapel Stile, we visited the studio of Dean Walmsley, maker of stained glass.
The link was my school - Queen Elizabeth's Grammar School Blackburn - and I believe that Mr Walmsley was a school governor.
He was certainly known tour head teacher (Brian Hartley Kemball-Cook, sadly no longer with us - a fine man and a good head teacher).
It was a great insight into glass making using traditional methods.
I will always remember it.
Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: flying free on April 11, 2017, 03:03:35 PM
Thank you for adding information :)

interesting that his name included 'Hartley' as the vase was made at Hartley Wood.
I did a bit of googling in case there might be some link but so far the only link I can find is in an article where both he is mentioned and 'Hartley's Alpine Sports' in Bolton.
So it might be that the name is quite common to the North/North East ... or there may be a link between him and Hartley Wood and also Hartley's Alpine Sports of course.

Thank you again.

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Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: Tommy_Briggs on April 12, 2017, 02:50:24 AM
I don't think that there is any inference to be drawn from the middle name. These are often family names.
He left QEGS to take up a similar role at Bedford Modern School, during my university years - I think.
Walmsley's connections with QEGS precede Kemball-Cook's by some years.
Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: flying free on April 17, 2017, 10:00:17 PM
Hmm, I love a challenge. I think it is a strange coincidence that
Brian Hartley Kemball-Cooke (Head of QEGS Blackburn) knew
Dean Bernard Walmsley (a governor at QEGS Blackburn dating to prior to BH K-C becoming head) who used
Hartley Wood & Co to produce his glass.

It appears from this link that he made several stained glass windows for Blackburn Grammar School in 1926
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/lyon-and-turnbull/catalogue-id-srly10050/lot-cacfe919-8015-49ac-9c07-a448003b6bae
'Blackburn Grammar School, Lancs [seven windows, ca 1926]'


There could well be a link somewhere.  Brian Hartley Kemball-Cooke may well have been a son of a female member of the Hartley family hence being given the name as a middle name.  (My middle name is a surname as well :) and was my grandmother's family name)

Some more information will come to light I am sure.

Here is a link to the Hartley Wood factory and some information from someone who says his father was  stained glass artist and bought his glass from Hartley Wood (presumably not Dean Walmsley as it looks from the account that he picked up glass in 1989 and Dean Walmsley had died in 1985 aged 92), but interesting photographs.

https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/hartley-wood-glass-sunderland-1989.t77102

More information on the History of Hartley Wood here
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/7b8fca6b-a110-43c9-9447-543b4eaad1f8#0
and here
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,11525.msg84008.html#msg84008


(Not sure if there will end up being a link but just in case, Brian Hartley Kemball-Cook may have had three brothers, if this is the same Brian mentioned, who may have been Denis, Richard and Barry according to this obituary for Denis:
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/02/02/obituaries/denis-kemball-cook-former-shell-oil-chief.html )


'walmsley bernard dean (1893-1985)
born in blackburn.......son of Luke walmsley himself a fine art dealer.1st opened a stained glass studio in lytham st annes in i think 1922 until 1929 until he moved with his wife to Chapel Stile in Langdale where they opened a new studio designing stained glass windows and vases and plaques all which (vases and plaques) were made at and by Hartley Wood and co Sunderland.............ref the arts and crafts movement in the northwest of england........'
Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: Anne on April 18, 2017, 04:19:29 AM
Quote
(Not sure if there will end up being a link but just in case, Brian Hartley Kemball-Cook may have had three brothers, if this is the same Brian mentioned, who may have been Denis, Richard and Barry according to this obituary for Denis:
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/02/02/obituaries/denis-kemball-cook-former-shell-oil-chief.html )

Yes they are all four brothers, their mother's maiden name was Pavitt.  I have been back a couple of generations and found that Brian Hartley K-C's uncle was named Hartley Trevor Kemball-Cook, but I cannot find a Hartley surname connection as the female surnames found were Pavitt,  Archer and Davies. No Hartleys. (Yet!) 
Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: flying free on April 18, 2017, 08:27:18 AM
Anne thank you :)

It will probably turn out that there is no link:

I see from Bigbri's post that Dean Walmsley was born in Blackburn, so (extrapolating wildly) may well have gone to QEGS as a boy and hence became a governor of the school perhaps.
And so BH K-C as Headteacher may just have taken the kids to his studio because he was a governor of the school and had an interesting occupation.

but I think it's worth speculating just a little  ;D   Just in case.

Shame the name Wood didn't come up as a maiden name -
http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Gilbert_Henry_Wood

as one of Gilbert Henry Wood's sons appears to have been name Gordon Hartley Wood, so Hartley appears to have been brought into the Wood family tree somehow (either as just a familiar name , or perhaps through marriage to a Hartley daughter maybe?)
http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Gordon_Hartley_Wood

RE  Hartley Trevor Kemball-Cook

He appears to have been an author although whether his surname is hyphenated or not is in dispute perhaps?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Books-Hartley-Trevor-Kemball-Cook/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=n%3A266239%2Cp_27%3AHartley%20Trevor%20Kemball%20Cook



oh, some more information on the Hartley glassmaking family here (scroll down to below the brewery information):

http://www.hartleyfamily.org.uk/fame4.htm

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Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: Anne on April 19, 2017, 02:45:26 AM
It wasn't hyphenated originally, the surname was Cook, with Kemball as a middle name, then as the family stature grew it acquired a hyphen! The father of Brian Hartley Kemball-Cook and the other three was a bigwig civil servant who was knighted (presumably as such senior civil servants seem to be, for just doing their job). I have some background info on him and his two wives. I haven't followed up why Kemball was used as a middle name though (yet!)  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: flying free on April 19, 2017, 06:19:41 AM
Oh gosh Anne, if they turn out not to be related to Hartley Wood at all   ;D 

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Title: Re: Anyone heard of a UK Glass maker 1930's called Walmsley?
Post by: flying free on May 15, 2022, 11:32:25 AM
Much information in this book link about Luke Walmsley and stained glass windows. See pages 160 to end (I put Walmsley in the search box so the relevant pages appeared - to save time):

THE WHITE CHURCH, FAIRHAVEN:
AN ARTIST TRADER'S PROTESTANT BYZANTIUM 1
J. C. G. Binfield



https://www.hslc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/142-8-Binfield.pdf

Also on page 172 it references Luke Walmsley's 'artist son' dying in 1985- Bernard Walmsley.

see also note 71:

'71 Bernard Dean Walmsley, who became a deacon at the White Church in
1923, and died 2 July 1985, also left cartoons of stained glass windows
made by his wife and himself to Queen Elizabeth's Grammar School,
Blackburn, and to Samlesbury Hall, Blackburn'