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Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 04, 2006, 07:50:08 PM
I thought these might all be Dartington but research has not helped me draw any conclusions.

The vase and the plate have base characteristics and glass 'brightness' in common (and they were bought together). The moulding is good quality but I can see no marks. The bowl isn't as bright or as detailed and well moulded as the vase.

Are they Dartington or something else? Click to enlarge

(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0503.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0503.jpg)(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0504.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0504.jpg)
(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0506.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0506.jpg)(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0505.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0505.jpg)
(http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/th_IMG_0507.jpg) (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/lustrousstone/IMG_0507.jpg)
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Anne E.B. on July 04, 2006, 09:11:16 PM
I've always thought of the flower bowl to be either Dartington or Ravenhead.  Sorry, can't be more specific.  I think I've got a platter in that design but unfortunately doesn't have a label.
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 07, 2006, 07:22:51 PM
I think you're probably right about the bowl Anne. Does anyone have any thoughts on the vase and the plate?
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 07, 2006, 08:48:50 PM
I now pretty confident that the bowl is Arcoroc. I found a punch set and glasses that were marked. That still leaves the vase and the plates. My gut feeling is now Scandi. They are much better quality then the bowl - anyone?
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: robbo on August 07, 2006, 10:26:52 PM
Christine,
it may be worth while looking at Humppila / Kumela (Kumela was part of Humppila in the 70s / early 80s) for your vase

Have a look at:
http://www.huuto.net/fi/showitem.php3?itemid=35441393
http://www.huuto.net/fi/showitem.php3?itemid=35441315
for Humppila.
They seem to have done a large number of "petal" type designs.

I've a floral type Kumela dish (piccy towmorrow!) which I know was produced in clear (mine) and with a brown centre (where the "seeds" are). Both companies generally seem to be marked though.

Could be a dead end? I don't know :roll:

robbo
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Max on August 07, 2006, 10:33:30 PM
Christine, your plate is driving me nuts!   :x I've seen it before and can't think where - it was a black & white photo somewhere.  I really expected to find it in Modern Bohemian Glass...and didn't.  (http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/ac39.gif)
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 08, 2006, 06:30:16 AM
Thank you both. I'll investigate further. Please don't pull your lovely hair out Max :lol:  :lol:
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Sklounion on August 08, 2006, 06:43:47 AM
I understand Max's feeling that the bowl might have been Czech, as it does bear some resemblance to Spirala, by Pavel Panek, but the pattern continues onto the base.
For me, this is probably not Czech.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: robbo on August 08, 2006, 07:14:18 PM
Christine,
I've put some images of the Kumela daisy dish I have in my album:

Top (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2818)
Bottom (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-2819)

The top is completely smooth  -  the moulding is underneath.
It is marked / etched, on the underside of one of the petals
"Kaj Blomqvist Kumela" and another word I'm not sure about (begins with "T", fourth letter "l" :? in extremely small writing. It could be "Talous"="home/household" but doesn't seem to fit.
I've also seen this dish with a brown centre.

As I said, maybe a dead end, but certainly these types where done in the Scandic / Nordic Countries.

robbo
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 08, 2006, 07:32:24 PM
Thanks Robbo, there are certainly similarities and I know where there's brown-centred one :shock:
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: robbo on August 08, 2006, 07:40:17 PM
Quote from: "Lustrousstone"
...and I know where there's brown-centred one :shock:

Go for it!!
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Pip on August 08, 2006, 10:41:15 PM
Hiya, I have a brown centred bark/ice textured platter by Humppila - the designer's name is Pertti Santalahti if that helps at all in your search for information,  Pip
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 09, 2006, 06:09:27 AM
Thanks Pip
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: robbo on September 19, 2006, 05:57:18 PM
Christine -

Check out this auction for your vase:
http://www.huuto.net/fi/showitem.php3?itemid=36094681

It has the same label as the "cactus" dish I just posted in another thread:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,7042.0.html
My label:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3334

robbo
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Lustrousstone on September 19, 2006, 07:06:48 PM
You're a star, brilliant. I suspect my plates are Lasisepat as well, they were bougt from the same person and have the same textured base. :lol:  :lol:
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: robbo on September 19, 2006, 08:28:25 PM
Christine,
I suppose it's just luck really! The woman in the shop seemed quite surprised that I actually wanted the "cactus" bowls :shock: . Unpriced & only 50p each :lol:

I'll certainly be searching on huuto periodically to try and see some of Lasisepät's other output!

robbo
Title: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 24, 2006, 06:15:10 PM
Another mystery solved  :D The daisy bowl is actually "made by Nazeing Glass, designed by Roger Phillippo Des RCA, mid 1980's part of the Wild Rose Collection, possibly lead crystal (if it rings!)." S. Pollock-Hill  from Nazeing Glass
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 24, 2008, 05:41:17 PM
Another variant from the Nazeing Wild Rose range. This time, a flared out bowl
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: flying free on January 08, 2011, 08:46:21 PM
I've just seen an auction on our favourite site of a little Lasisepat bowl that says the label reads
'Taidelasi Sepat Oy Mantsala'
Ivo, I'm not sure if I remembered this right, but I thought I read you had not come across this maker (sorry if I am wrong but there were so many threads and comments and I haven't been back through them all) - I just wondered why this seems to be possibly the same maker but different labels? - if you take the end of the first word Lasi (glass?) and add it to the second (mm not sure what that means) then it makes Lasisepat, which is what is on the label on one of the pieces on this thread.
m
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: px on January 09, 2011, 02:28:37 PM
It definitely looks like the same factory. I have seen at least three types of labels either with LASISEPÄT or Taidelasisepät Oy which seems to have been the actual name of the company (functional 1978-2003). They probably used the word Lasisepät just for short. "Taide" = art, "Lasi" = glass, "Sepät" = plural of a smith i.e. lasisepät = "glass smiths"
Anyway, all of the labels share the same stylized flame type red logo.
A lot of different types of flower shaped small bowls can still be found around. Also by googling with any combination of the words.

PS. a little more googling makes me guess they changed something already in 1987 as they had something to do with Lasilandia named place in a place called Lievestuore. And nowadays a company called Art Glass in Laukaa seems to be the follower.
(here's a picture from a plate being sold at the moment in huuto.net http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=6707755.jpg (http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=6707755.jpg) )

"Art Glass matkailukeskus laukaanhovi (Taidelasisepät 1978-, Lasilandia 1987-, Art Glass 1994-)"
  says a book made of votives.
http://www.suomenlasimuseo.fi/Suomen-Lasimuseo/Ylavalikko/Museomyymala/Nayttelyjulkaisut/Tuikkujen-pikkujattilainen/ (http://www.suomenlasimuseo.fi/Suomen-Lasimuseo/Ylavalikko/Museomyymala/Nayttelyjulkaisut/Tuikkujen-pikkujattilainen/)
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: glassobsessed on January 09, 2011, 04:48:31 PM
Found this label on a bird (if I remember correctly): http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-12014

John
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: flying free on January 09, 2011, 11:04:48 PM
thanks Px and John!  So from px's reply I take it they are all one and the same  but have changed their name as time has gone on?
It's a very convoluted world this glass world ;D
m
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: glassobsessed on March 12, 2011, 02:34:56 PM
Just for reference here is that Lasilandia bird, quite chunky at about 17cm in length.

The first file name is the Welsh way of spelling it......

John
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: flying free on March 13, 2011, 07:39:49 PM
ooh I love that!  very stylised, great texture and colour.
m
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: rosieposie on June 16, 2011, 02:31:08 PM
Seem to have discovered this thread by accident....how did I ever miss it?????  :thud:
I collect these birds in a BIG way and have lots of them!!  I like the blue one John....have you got others like it?
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: chopin-liszt on June 16, 2011, 02:46:17 PM
You already have a large collection of these birds Rosie? or is that a typo?
and John, how come I've not seen this beastie before? Have I been remiss going through your albums? :huh:
Have you other amazing collections I know nothing about???????????
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: rosieposie on June 16, 2011, 03:03:32 PM
No typo Sue,  I have about a dozen or more.....all different and all beautiful.  They are hollow blown with a glass gather added to form the neck and head......often sold as Oiva Toikka,  but they are not.  Have you got any of them?  I have a picture of them somewhere here on the GMB,  but can't remember where or in what context! 
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: chopin-liszt on June 16, 2011, 03:37:27 PM
I haven't got any no, Rosie, I've never heard of, or seen any before.
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: glassobsessed on June 16, 2011, 05:02:51 PM
My albums don't include every bit of glass I have had pass through my sticky mitts Sue. I did not always keep a photographic record, the Lasilandia Bird was one of those bits but in this case it was rehomed with a friend so I have been able to get these snaps.

I have lots of photos of Riihimaki vases and a fair few of those big Italian decorative bottles (most of which I have posted here on the message board at one time or another).

John
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: chopin-liszt on June 16, 2011, 05:37:51 PM
 :24:
I keep forgetting you foster then re-home bits of glass John  :kissy: - I simply adopt.
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: rosieposie on June 16, 2011, 05:42:48 PM
Here are some of my Scandi Bird Family.....
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: chopin-liszt on June 16, 2011, 05:47:56 PM
ooooooH  :thud:
I love the twins - they look as if their breasts are coloured with silver chloride efects!
(I'm big on silver chloride effects in glass. Not to be mistaken for being into ghastly bits of silver stuck onto glass)
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: rosieposie on June 16, 2011, 05:59:39 PM
Here's a close up of a couple with silver specles.....is this what you mean????
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: rosieposie on June 16, 2011, 06:06:34 PM
This is my favourite....second from left, looks as though it has been covered in iron filings.....it's a b*993r to d**t! bit very quirky!
Title: Re: Scandi or not? One ? Two yes. Three no!
Post by: chopin-liszt on June 17, 2011, 11:34:10 AM
Try using a blusher brush for dusting it. :thup:

It's the ones (you call the pic "the twins") on the table, with the Lladro/Nao bits.
(I'm not into splodgy)