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Title: Pressed amber vase - ID = Ząbkowice
Post by: Chris Harrison on February 13, 2007, 03:21:30 PM
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5076

9.5" / 24cm tall.
Pressed decoration of 9 columns of concentric rectangles with rounded corners, becoming squarer as they reach the rim.

3-piece mould.  Fire-polished top rim.

Shallow indented base with ground finish.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5075

It's very heavy and of very nice quality.  Does anyone recognise this?

Thanks
Chris

Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Pip on February 13, 2007, 03:42:30 PM
Hi Chris, on page 283 of the DK Collectables Price Guide 2007 there's one pictured in grey - they seem unsure and say it's 'possibly by Sklo Union or a Scandinavian factory' however, I think it bears some slight similarities to the Taalari range designed by Tamara Aladin for Riihimaki.  Ever since I saw the photographed one in the DK book I've been wondering myself - hopefully Marcus might be able to shed some light on it.
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Chris Harrison on February 13, 2007, 04:38:58 PM
Thanks, Pip.
bothery publishers!  I've only just got my hands on the 2006...
Is there a lot of duplication of the previous issue in the 2007?
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Pip on February 13, 2007, 04:49:10 PM
Thanks, Pip.
bothery publishers!  I've only just got my hands on the 2006...
Is there a lot of duplication of the previous issue in the 2007?

Couldn't say 'cos I didn't get the 2006 version!  ;D  Personally, I think it's pretty good although it's probably a lot more relevant for me than the majority of the folk on this board because I also deal in retro ceramics and other collectables like plastics and textiles.  For glass collectors only it may not be as useful as it is for me.
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Max on February 13, 2007, 05:36:54 PM
I can't see that this is Scandinavian.  I think Polish perhaps, rather than Czech, could be on the right track if there's a grey version shown somewhere, I haven't seen this design before though.

Funny how I've got DK Collectibles 2003/4/5 (when I stopped buying them  >:D) - between us, we have a full set.  ;)

Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Chris Harrison on February 16, 2007, 05:23:19 PM
Pip,
I just dug out a Taalari bowl I bought off Vidfletch ages ago.
They're really quite different animals.
The Taalari greek key design is much more prominent, and the base rim is smooth (fire-polished) rather than ground flat. 
The vase has a similar feeling of quality about it, though.  I like it very much.  A pity noone can put a name to it.   :(
This amber has a real orange tint to it, so perhaps it's Krosno, as Christine commented in another thread http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,9359.0.html.
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Sklounion on February 16, 2007, 06:24:55 PM
Hi Chris,

I was not ignoring this, feeling I could contribute nothing useful, but you bumped it.

This appears as "possibly SU or a Scandinavian factory" in Judith Miller's Collectables Price Guide 2007, for a reason.

I am not prepared to state that this is SU, when I have seen no documentary evidence to suggest that it is. This, and another vase which regularly appears on eBay with a pronounced foot and triangular patterning in a similar style to your vase, have defied a positive attribution, and the vase with triangles has been attributed by others, to SU and Ruda, amongst possible candidates.

regards,

Marcus
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Chris Harrison on February 16, 2007, 08:49:00 PM
Hi Marcus,

I was really just getting back to Pip, but thanks for chipping in your 2ยข, as they say across the Big Pond.  Always appreciated.

I think I have one of the triangle pattern vases you mention. I recall that it featured in a long SU thread a while back: 7" or so tall, octagonal section foot, smoky green colour, nice balanced feel, and very conscientiously finished off. 

I hadn't seen this here orange/amber creature anywhere before, but am very pleased to have made its acquaintance.  Although the base is very well finished, it just doesn't seem to fit the SU "look and feel" - or the colour for that matter.  I rather think the burnt orangey colour may be the key to identifiying its origins.  Will keep my radar engaged...

Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Chris Harrison on February 16, 2007, 09:02:44 PM
ah, frinstance, one of these:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200078223765

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Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Pip on February 16, 2007, 10:39:49 PM
What a co-incidence, I also have one of these vases and I asked Marcus about it since I had my doubts about it being Sklo Union.  Going on the finish of the foot/base Marcus suggested possibly Polish production or Ruda Glasbruk but again, this is one of those undecided pieces.  It just doesn't feel like SU glass.
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: David E on February 17, 2007, 12:42:16 PM
I tend to agree, but have mailed Marcus anyway for his opinion.
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Sklounion on February 17, 2007, 03:44:19 PM
That will be the one that I'm talking about.
Thanks for the nudge, David.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Chris Harrison on March 05, 2007, 10:45:52 AM
I've just got my hands on Andy McConnell's "Miller's 20th Century Glass" 2006.

A grey-green version of the subject of this thread is identified by him as by Rudolf Jurnikl, "designed for Rosice/Moravia National Glass Company, 1962".  It's pictured together with the finned bowl, hobnail vases and cog glass designs shown on Marcus's site.
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Sklounion on March 07, 2007, 10:41:02 PM
Hi,
It might be worth e-mailing Andy McConnell, to ask where this is attributed, and who by. I am very sceptical of that attribution, and without a documented source, feel that this remains, very unsafe and unconvincing.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Chris Harrison on March 08, 2007, 01:29:18 AM
Thanks, Marcus.
Am away from home at the mo', but if I can find his address somewhere, I'll do just that.

Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Chris Harrison on March 21, 2007, 11:50:46 PM
Have sent a mail to Andy, asking for clarification.  Here's hoping...
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Sklounion on April 10, 2007, 06:13:10 AM
Hi Chris,
Any feed-back on this yet?
Another has appeared on eBay, in a non-Sklo Union colour, again with an Andy McConnell attribution.
I think I know which Jurnikl vase from Rosice, 1962, this is being confused with, and the pattern is somewhat similar, but that is about as close as it gets.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Chris Harrison on April 10, 2007, 10:29:12 AM
Hi Marcus,

No, not a word - as of this morning.  The colours have me very curious.  Don't seem able to match the  shades of burnt amber, grey/green and blue with anyone else at present.

I have another couple of items to upload that may be by "your lads" - a chunky green vase and a possible Boule dish (this also features in the McConnell Miller's book, but I'm not sure...).  I'll try and get them up today.

Later,
Chris
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Sklounion on April 10, 2007, 05:25:06 PM
Hi Chris,
I have spoken to Andy this morning. I know that even with Andy, the jury is still out on this one.
The colours are the key here I feel, but the grey/green and the blue do not appear to match other known Rosice items of that period, and this particular vase clearly is not a 984, which is what I think it is being mistaken for. Anyone have a 914 "Lens" (inadequately described as "Bullet") vase by Schrotter in these two colours?
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: David E on April 10, 2007, 06:27:26 PM
This one, Marcus?

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6383
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Chris Harrison on April 10, 2007, 08:27:56 PM
If that's the one you mean, Marcus, I have 6 in amber and green. 3 different shades of each, but none of them matches either of the colours that this vase has been seen in. 

Sorry about the mention of a blue vase, that's an error of mine.

The vase at the start of this thread is a burnt orange colour.
The one in Andy McConnell's book is described as grey/green.
The recent eBay item is described as blue/green, but I think it's the same as the vase in Andy's book.
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Sklounion on April 10, 2007, 08:41:10 PM
Hi Chris,
Your mention of blue is not mis-leading.
The other vase, that impinges on these deliberations, appears in a particularly scandinavian , I hesitate to say steel-blue, unlike RSW, and clearly distinct from previously known/identified VHJ Obal/Sklo Union colours. That blue is similar to Ruda. The greater range of 914s I see, the less convinced I am, that your amber vase saw its origins in Czechoslovakia.
With this vase, as you illustrate in amber, the grey-green is so untypically Czech that only Nemsova springs to mind, and there is still no current evidence that this factory, produced these colours.
Regards,
Marcus
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Chris Harrison on August 25, 2008, 03:32:28 PM
There were 3 of these in the recent exhibition in King's Lynn.
- Amber
- Steel blue
- Dark grey

The attribution wasn't clear, but the nearest label said Vaclav Hanus...
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Sklounion on August 25, 2008, 08:49:00 PM
Hi Chris,
These, as far as I am aware, have not featured in CGR, nor in any of the catalogues that will be published on the CD-ROM, on the 9th of November.
regards,
Marcus
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Chris Harrison on August 27, 2008, 11:58:18 AM
Thanks, Marcus.
I quite agree with you on this one.  We must find the colours!
Title: Re: Pressed amber vase - possible Sklo Union ??
Post by: Anik R on March 04, 2017, 08:57:08 PM
Hi all,

This vase is Polish, produced by Ząbkowice and given the name 'Krater'.  It can be seen in the 1971 catalogue (scroll down to page 33):   here. (https://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/archiv/pdf/pk-2013-3w-01-mb-zabko-1971-pressglas.pdf)

Anik