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Title: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: kane_u_pain on March 14, 2010, 05:17:38 AM
Flavio Poli for Seguso Vetri d'Arte blue sommerso huge bowl or vase???!!! weighs about 3kg. No label. Lovely piece. Added here for reference. Sorry no dimensions. It is packed away. Will add at a later time.
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: Ivo on March 14, 2010, 07:17:13 AM
That is clear cased, not Sommerso - and I would sooner look in the direction of one of the lesser known Scandinavian or German firms - like Ruda or Ingridglas. Do you have any reference which would make it Poli?
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: kane_u_pain on March 15, 2010, 05:59:17 AM
This piece is a smaller version of the larger vase I purchased with the SVdA label. It has the same weird 'scratching' around the piece as the one I posted here...

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,31169.0.html

I do believe it is a genuine example. Also purchased from design and arts.
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: Ivo on March 15, 2010, 07:39:50 AM
ok fair enough. The style is called water optic, and Poli does not enter into the equasion.
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: kane_u_pain on March 18, 2010, 12:57:30 AM
Ivo, just to clarify. Do you mean that Poli has not done water optic style?
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: Ivo on March 18, 2010, 07:42:20 AM
Only if you can find a reference which says that he did. I have not found any...
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: obscurities on March 18, 2010, 03:02:55 PM
Although Poli is attributed with many styles of glass, he is to Italian "Sommerso" as Powolny is to Czech "Tango", the attributed designer of much more than he actually produced... another example of an internet "myth".

Craig
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: TxSilver on March 18, 2010, 08:16:23 PM
I have to add that Poli was prolific in his designs while he was artistic director at Seguso. Some of his designs were fabulous and others look less inspired. Probably if we had pictures of Kane's glass in just the right light, we would be impressed with the clean lines of the sommerso.

One thing I don't know is if Poli ever made the glass. I know that others in the company. e.g. Archimede Seguso when he worked there, executed Poli designs. I don't know who else might have done his sommerso pieces.
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: kane_u_pain on March 19, 2010, 05:27:15 AM
Poli definitely did a lot of designs. I still haven't ascertained whether he executed any pieces himself and we may never know if he did. I have to agree that some pieces are definitely lack lustre, but I still enjoy seeing them anyway.

Ivo, there is piece in design and arts shop that has a label - 50666. Another without a label. I have only seen that label on two pieces of glass, both optic pieces from SVdA. Unfortunately I didn't snap up the other piece and i no longer have the listing for it as it was some time ago.

Hopefully a piece will show up in the near future with the standard SVdA label and put the matter to rest. My opinion still is, that this is a Poli piece. The feel, the look and the 2 layers of blue i believe is his work.
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 24, 2011, 04:10:43 PM
An old thread, I know, but I've had a couple of these water-optic pieces in the past and an SVdA collector who bought one from me said it was most likely a Mario Pinzoni design rather than a Poli one.
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: kane_u_pain on October 26, 2011, 09:15:24 AM
Interesting point pinkspoons. I have a bowl in the same colour combo as this piece that is in the turquoise optic piece I posted here...

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40695.0.html

Although the other sommerso has a different shape to the turquoise one posted here, I am wondering if the colour combo one posted here is by Poli and made before his departure from SVdA and Pinzoni took over. Sort of like a cross over. Still perplexing and hopefully clarification will come when I get more pieces together along with labels...frustrating...

I should add...generally on the Poli pieces in this colour combo, the second layer is so bothery thin it is hard for us 'crap' photographers to capture it...hopefully I can get a good shot one day of it with all this colour combo pieces together... ;D
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 26, 2011, 09:47:23 AM
I assume that the same colours were used across different designers' work, and almost certainly for long periods of time.

I have a small Poli cylinder vase in an aqua/grey combo (the one I uploaded recently), but I also have a much larger vase in the same colours that I think should be a Pinzoni design (I'm working my way through my boxes of glass with my camera, so I should come to it in a few days).

Also, I've seen the smokey-blue of your piece used in later Seguso wares, ones bearing the post-1976 plastic label, as well as earlier ones with the shield-shaped paper label (on the second water-optic bowl I sold).

One good thing - I've just finished building a full-time photography studio, so I've no excuses for not photographing glass before it gets sold now. My main problem before was the effort of clearing a space to set everything up for every item that I bought. Now I can just plonk it straight on the shooting table.  ;D
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: kane_u_pain on October 27, 2011, 08:47:33 AM
I have noticed that on the later pieces from the 70's that they can't seem to get the colour of the main layer right. It is either to dark or too 'watered' down. The main coloured layer on this one is good and resembles the colour of the ones I have with the shield label. I also think the 70's pieces are more prolific than the Poli/Pinzoni ones.

One day, we will get this clarified.

That is good, we need as many SVdA peices listed here to help clarify things as it is such a confusing company. I won't be selling mine for a while as it is my favourite company. And if I do, it will definitely be posted here fo future reference before it goes the way of auction... ;D

Should add...for comparision...

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,31169.0.html
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: Pinkspoons on October 27, 2011, 09:12:45 AM
I think the colour was quite variable even in the pre-1973 period. I've had a few early items that have been the same hue but completely different tone.

Ah, if only I'd had a studio earlier - I could then back up my words with pictures! Still, I'm sure we'll get there.  :)
Title: Re: Flavio Poli Blue Sommerso for Seguso Vetri d'Arte Bowl or Vase...
Post by: rocco on April 12, 2015, 01:48:26 PM
According to Heiremans great book.:

the water optic ("resina a corteccia") range was designed by Mario Pinzoni around 1966.

Michael